Singers FM - Day 4 [10/20] - Thread 1

[bystander]

idie

[Zugzwang]

@catbae

This is followed by a post in response to being asked about leafia, #757, which is pretty tepid and inconclusive, ending up in nullscum, but dressed up in a lot of words.

I’d been asked by YBW for a read on Leafia - which I didn’t have, so I was working through it as I typed.

@catbae

I think his handling of derps in response to luxy’s scumread feels a little opportunistic - asks about volume #1121, gives two bits of meta #1123/#1124, links a recent scumgame #1129 and votes him #1130. Now, I had said at the time the wagon was an explicit pressure wagon, and I was fine with that. But it’s also an instance where if Derps is town (which is what I’m leaning now), scum would look to possibly join the wagon in an opportunistic fashion. And it bothers me that Zug went to the effort of digging up a past scumgame from derps, but if you look at the timestamps it was only a few minutes to find the game, followeed by an immediate vote - so I don’t really think Zug ever actually bothered to read the game he linked, which suggests to me he was doing it to appear contributive but didn’t actually care to do the meta check on Derps himself.

I’ve already seen and read through that game - it’s how I found it so fast.

@catbae

Then there’s a lot of fluff following from that point, next substantive post is #964 which is a pretty tepid ddefense of “leafia is just beign like leafia”, which to me is a readscum often make because it’s easier to fall back on that type of meta in order to project a higher level of certainty than a townsperson usually has.

This wasn’t meant as a defense of Leafia, rather, I was trying to see why Guava was pushing Leafia for something they should probably know is false from meta.

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@catbae

He shades Creature in #1161/#1164. Is this a bad read? I thought it was suspect at the time so it feels cheap to ding him for it now, but it’s a read I can see scum making in that situation. My problem I guess is that Zug doesn’t really seem that interested in actually investigating/sorting the more active posters. It’s very easy to make pushes based on things like activity, it’s a lot harder to actively investigate people and parse their posts fior meaning. So do kind of like that he voted Bionic and then claimed it was a test to get Bionic to towntell, but that’s a minor note in what is otherwise a very safe ISO.

@catbae

Beyond that point…I don’t really see zug developing a worldview, or actually trying to figure people out. He’s asking a lot of questions which is a way to appear engaged, but it never seems to lead anywhere. It’s just making conversation but I can’t see any point where he’s actually looking for scum.

this is fair enough I guess
I’ve been working on this now, but yesterday I was kinda lazy (and I was also like “ok what if it actually just mainly the lhf”)

[Brakuren]

my bad

from a 3p PoV this comment from Bys doesn’t make sense

[Luxy]

@catbae

And it bothers me that Zug went to the effort of digging up a past scumgame from derps, but if you look at the timestamps it was only a few minutes to find the game, followeed by an immediate vote - so I don’t really think Zug ever actually bothered to read the game he linked, which suggests to me he was doing it to appear contributive but didn’t actually care to do the meta check on Derps himself.

This is a really good point

[Zugzwang]

I just refuted it

@Zugzwang

I’ve already seen and read through that game - it’s how I found it so fast.

[Brakuren]

Thank you for showing me that because I don’t read anything catbae says if it is longer then a sentence

[Brakuren]

@Zugzwang

I just refuted it

then who won the game if you have already read it

[bystander]

i dont read anything catbae says in general

[Zugzwang]

town

[bystander]

acutally i dont read in general

[Brakuren]

the people

[Brakuren]

illiteratander

[bystander]

bruh this isnt worth scunreading for theres a simple explanation for it no need to pry into these things

[Zugzwang]

do you think I remember all members of 8 heads in a hydra game?

[Brakuren]

would be odd if you did lol

[Zugzwang]

actually if I played it, I might
but not when I’ve just looked at it for meta

[catbae]

guava/hazard points are fair, second bit is NAI, i didn’t remember enough of you to be fully confident making a call on your alignment. it’s also a case where…I personally look more to what thought process someone i presenting to the thread rather than purely agreement with reads. If you’re town I should get there eventually

(although now I kind of want to keep you in null forever just to be petty~)

[catbae]

i’m aware

[bystander]

i thik venti is town cuzz bportes

[Brakuren]

@bystander

i thik venti is town cuzz bportes

thank barbatos