Starcraft Overhaul FM - GAME OVER (Mafia Victory)

[Italy]

if you’re going to argue then can it at least be in a coherent manner so i can fucking understand it

[May]

No

[Italy]

[Zorvo]

Yeah I’m calling it a town role I don’t think Magnus claims that as wolf

[May]

Toxic in chat!!!

[Italy]

Yes.

[Zorvo]

@May

how a case was “sudden” or “out-of-nowhere” is a wolftell

There was no case or at least not that I seen, here let me show you your progression on if

[Jarek]

@Zorvo

How can you just town read May like that?
They went from you, realized it wasn’t working and dropped it, then went to I believe Lemon (don’t remember) then dropped it and then noticed their voter and started to tunnel them (their voter being me)

Because townies staying stuck on one vote is a really bad thing I would consider being willing to vote anyone and everyone early on largely NAI since both town and wolves would be doing it for their own reasons. I suppose you could look into their reasoning a little more but without more information it’s hard to say.

@Zorvo

So even though a town role benefits from keeping me alive today and even though I’m one of the best solvers here, you want my ML to “get something off of it”?

No I just have a hunch that you trying to get me to vote Eliza was a little suspicious and I’m voting you for it. It’s a better lead than someone I haven’t looked at at all yet. Even if it’s a pretty bad lead. I will admit.

[Cape90]

@Zorvo

Eliza I think probably has the highest wolf equity on the wagon as they went from Jarek to Dislike pretty quickly and if they are both villagers then I also am curious to see where Eliza doesn’t go, plus it also means Eliza is very likely wolf in that scenario IMO.

This case is non descript, gross

[May]

I’ll forgive you. It’s almost the 19th in my time, I can’t hold hate in my heart when such a holiday is so close.

[Italy]

i don’t want that much for christmas

[Cape90]

@Magnus

Another note to self: if Lemon flips Mafia, there are four evils.

this is very typical in a 16er. I don’t think I have been in a 16er with 3 or 5 evils

[May]

Hey, out of curiosity, what’s the schedule on this argument? Are we planning to make this an all-game thing, or like, are we gonna drop it after a day, or is it to the death? Just want to know ahead of time so I can clear out my calendar. Thanks in advance!

[Cape90]

So how many town games do you lose?

[Gorta]

@Zorvo

Cause ain’t no way ima allow myself to be ML’ed, I am no LHF, I refuse.

say, has anyone seen w!Zorvo make this kind of post before?

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

As for their other voters, (lol, Marluna and Eliza)

As I already talked about Marluna before, I think the way they jumped on the wagon could be opportunistic wolf. I don’t get all the town reads on them but to be fair I also haven’t read them fully.

I’m neutral on lol, haven’t read really anything much from them, it’s a 50/50 coin flip.

Eliza I think probably has the highest wolf equity on the wagon as they went from Jarek to Dislike pretty quickly and if they are both villagers then I also am curious to see where Eliza doesn’t go, plus it also means Eliza is very likely wolf in that scenario IMO.

Hmm yeah if I am to vote one of the 3 I’d probably vote Eliza or maybe Marluna after a read through them.

I answered your question accordingly, as far as I’m aware of you didn’t say you found anything wolfy from this answer.

@May

Zorvo, you wouldn’t happen to have realized that your initial response to my question very subtly betrayed the fact that you know I’m town, right? You didn’t hastily add this note on to the end of it to keep up your alleged suspicion of me, an opinion you manufactured specifically because you know you have a reputation as a hellbusser, right? When you mentioned that you didn’t plan to flip today , that wasn’t an indication that you do plan to flip later, or at least are aware of the possibility, and are consciously trying to set up the appearance that you’re W/W with me, right?

Here they seem to question my choice of words and twist it to their favour, then talks about my wolf meta (not that I actually care though.)
then follow it all off with a paranoia take.

@May

I try my hardest not to capitulate to my OMGUS instinct too often, but I do have a weird ping from Zorvo this game… though Zorvo’s someone that tends to ping weird no matter his alignment. My response to this idea should be to set up reaction tests to poke at the idea - to give Zorvo an opportunity to make us look W/W and see what he does with it… and I would have done that with anyone else, but… I can’t predict him, honestly, and that screws with all of my plans, so I’m just going to openly conspiracypost as the back of my brain sees fit.

Then talks about how I give them pings and “I’m trying to make them look W/W with them”
I think the idea actually originally was mentioned by someone else and now May is using that same thing and claiming how I’m wolf trying to make it look that way.
(Good thing I’m town but if May is a wolf so gawd I’ll fight anyone who try’s to say we are W/W, we are obviously not partners.)

@May

Thinking about it, me claiming Zorvo is unpredictable is a cop-out and also not entirely true. He’s predictable enough, it’s just that I can’t properly set up the kind of reaction test I’d be looking for here, because there’s no real wrong answers when he’s trying to fake a distance, and many of the reactions look the same as a legitimate suspicion. Zorvo isn’t particularly unpredictable. Sorry/You’re welcome, Zorvo.

May again still caught up on the paranoia and W/W Bullshit.

@May

Now I’m giving you pings. Fucked up if true

Then makes a joke

@May

That’s really funny. Congrats on winning the Saw trap you can leave now VOTE: Zorvo

Then drops off of Lemon and attempts to Tunnel yours truly.

[Italy]

i have never seen seth talk like that in my entire life

[Magnus]

@Jarek

True, but until someone dies I won’t have anything on anyone. Though I suppose you could say Magnus really wanting to kill what I believe is a townie is fairly suspicious.

I’m assuming you’re referring to IDFM, whom I’m not even voting for.
Either that, or you mean Lemon… in which case don’t worry, I’m planning to vote IDFM.

@Zorvo

So even though a town role benefits from keeping me alive today and even though I’m one of the best solvers here, you want my ML to “get something off of it”?

It’s less that I benefit and more that I’m penalised, but tomato tomato.
I would agree that you’re one of the more vocal solvers in the thread, and we need as many of those players as we can get.

@Zorvo

Yeah I’m calling it a town role I don’t think Magnus claims that as wolf

Watch someone call this a slip and hasty cover-up.

@Cape90

@Magnus

Another note to self: if Lemon flips Mafia, there are four evils.

this is very typical in a 16er. I don’t think I have been in a 16er with 3 or 5 evils

Don’t get me wrong, I’m expecting four evils. I was mainly pretending to be useful by pointing that out.

[May]

@Magnus

@Zorvo

Yeah I’m calling it a town role I don’t think Magnus claims that as wolf

Watch someone call this a slip and hasty cover-up.

You’re just feeding me arguments at this point.

[Zorvo]

@May

When the hell did I mention Marluna

You talked about lol.
You talked about Eliza.
But never talked about Marluna here.

You asked me the question in regards to @I_Dislike_FM voters and you leave out Marluna.
Can your answer your own question?
What’s your thoughts on the voters including Marluna?