Stratagem-10 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Jarek]

I have plenty of bangers

[Magnus]

UFO Sighting Main Thread - Game Over (Aliens Win.)

Weird reason for a townread honestly. VOTE: Jarek Please explain.

This is w!Leafia pushing on w!Jarek, but I think this back and forth can relate to how Jarek might react if pushed.

UFO

@Jarek

I’m very confused as to why I’m already being considered an evil player by even one person in this game but considering how I am in most games this is par for the course and I will be universally nullread the entire game, make it to Final 3 and then lose.

@Jarek

Okay but this is a double standard; it’s okay for you to vote me but when I vote you suddenly it’s scummy?

@Jarek

It depends. I can see a townie doing it later on if they think someone is super evil and they overlook how they were acting earlier to cut corners in their argument because they’re so convinced.

The game just started though. I OMGUS voted them. Why would they think me voting them is evil but them voting me isn’t? It could be a townie POV that they think they’re infallible because they’re town. It could be that they’re an evil making a very shoddy push. I can’t tell which it is.

Compared to:

Strategem

@Jarek

Knowing how I’ve seen games go recently I have absolutely zero faith in towns ability to solve even the simplest of jokes.

I wouldn’t even be suprised if I got voted out for it and then everyone just goes “well they were scummy for saying that!!” and don’t bother looking into who made the push or why at all

@Jarek

Because it’s literally all there is to react to what do you want me to do, twiddle my thumbs and go AFK like the rest of the thread is?

@Jarek

You went straight for assuming I was trying to be evil and widening a PoE or whatever BS you’re trying to spin instead of seeing the obvious angle I was going for of implying the PR’s should be trusted and why shouldn’t they.

They should be the base-line for the locktown once we go traitor hunting and everyone else can get fucked no matter how good they were at solving, because the traitor doesn’t know the wolf team either.

assuming we even get that far.

I could see Jarek’s early defence from Memes coming from either alignment, maybe. That early stuff was not why their wagon dissolved, though.

[Jarek]

Nah I’ve had my fun if people think I’m evil and want to kill me they can do it there are just some groups and game layouts I don’t jive with and I think vanilla games are one of those because I literally just do not know what to do aside from apparently saying stupid shit 24/7

[Achromatic]

Like everyone.

Mafia really isnt super hard.

Also apparently towns never win here when i take absences but town track records are p good when i play so lets cut through the fog of fear a bit. Everything’s going to be ok just got to play the game right.

[Jarek]

And someone saying stupid shit 24/7 when you have no info to go off of is really bad and you should deal with it early

[Magnus]

I would break a tie to save Jaiden, I think.

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

Mafia really isnt super hard.

I’ve been blindsided by people enough times that I’m not really all that confident on my ability to win the game but like I’ve come close to being right I just am not right

those games are with like actual abilities to work with though idk about this kinda game seems pretty hard ngl

[Host_Account_1]

Votecount as of post #2287

Jaiden (4): Lissi, Cream, Zorvo, Jarek
Zorvo (4): Silviu200530, Jaiden, guavagudetama, Memes
Magnus (2): Achromatic, Neon
Sleep (1): Magnus

Not Voting (1): Prisma101

[Silviu200530]

Why Jaiden

[Cream]

holy hell idk

I feel so conflicted, not really feeling my vote rn

[Jaiden]

@Lissi

like I’m reading your iso and the most “dissecting” is maybe you pointing out that you were baiting Zorvo with a vote and saying that he repeats stuff over and over

i was referring to recent stuff

@Lissi

other 99% is either advocating for no-exe, saying you could or couldn’t be W/W with Neon (against Zorvo who is saying Neon is town??), or talking about your own meta.

NOW LETS PLAY: is it exaggeration or did they get lazy and not read the iso!!
to note: i made a total of 1 post where I talked about me and neon w/w and it was briefly mentioned in another
i mention my own meta twice, originally for the “i am absolutely town” gimmick and again to talk about why I don’t just let people read me in a positive light if the read is wrong

@Lissi

if you have any posts you think are full of analysis that I missed then you can point them out

but I don’t think you’ve been trying to solve, your elaborated on reads are limited to like 4 ppl and everyone else you push in relation to the no-exe thing, and it doesn’t feel this extra time you wanted has not even been used for solving

you make the first sentence as a safety net clearly but I think its pretty obvious that you just didnt bother reading my iso and at most did an incredibly quick skim
ive explained all the solving stuff, my “pushes” on people to do with no-exe arent to do with the noexe because I already didnt like them and in the posts where it is responding to a noexe post it is pointing out something wrong with the post other than noexe. you would know this if you read the posts. When did I even ask for extra time?? How would I get extra time??? the time is the time it would be either way

Please, next time actually read my ISO. You quote nothing, complain about things you dont have a clue about and act oh so sure of yourself but still feel the need to through in the get out of jail free card with the “if I missed anything lmk!!!” You missed so, so much that I don’t think it could be done by anything but on purpose. Is it AI? Maybe. I do hate having to consider if its just a town putting in zero effort
I’m pretty sure most of this is from before you left earlier anyways

[Magnus]

@Jarek

They’ve made okay posts but from what I’ve seen as magnus as a player they have no problem with making long posts that say a lot of things. I’ve never seen them as a wolf but I have no reason to believe they would decide to stop this behaviour just because they randed an evil role.

Magnus is saying I’m town and pushing on leafia which is cool and I appreciate it but I think that’s possibly just distancing.

Jarek scumreading me for townreading him early wolf indicative.

[Jaiden]

@guavagudetama

If you step off this wagon anywhere other than Magnus you’re basically killing yourself

I’m stating my intent now so people don’t get all mad at me when the definitely happening cfd comes and jarek is on the table
if I don’t I will hear it non stop d2 by certain players who seem to not pay much attention : )

[Jarek]

@Magnus

Jarek scumreading me for townreading him early wolf indicative.

I mirror Jaiden’s want of wanting to be townread but not for bad reasons

[Achromatic]

Well yeah because it is player versus player. I consider myself elite and i have been blindsided too. But it doesnt make msfia itself hard. If you stick to basics and have a plan your win rate will bear that out reliably.

First things first you gotta have wim. I never let snyone out work or out hustle me. I migjt get fooled or i might blunder but those are learning lessons. The second is you are confirmed town to yourself or you fake that sentiment so sacrificing yourself is always a bad play tbh. Got to use what you jave day 1 and what everyone has is their own personal perspective and youve got to defend that. I am my own top town read so i aint letting anyone say anything about me i know isnt true. Just like any other town read

[Magnus]

What were my reasons again?

[Jaiden]

just got voted for being “a little fishy” when I’m clearly a cat
gonna go pack my bags

[Cream]

Jarek’s past day feels like just been playing a passive role, not really caring, and making excuses.

votes Jaiden after seeing Lissi’s wall of analysis and then also then follows up with this

@Jarek

You know to be honest I think a wolf has more of a chance of making sense than a town does in a weird kind of way. A wolf inherently knows more about the game than a townie does. So they’re going to technically have more insight and more informed reads to use against people.

Jaiden’s been a little fishy and other people picked up on it too I had a town-read at first but they make too much sense so much sense in fact that it’s too much and it goes back to being evil

this post almost sounds like scum BS idk

“too townie to be a town”

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

ake that sentiment so sacrificing yourself is always a bad play tbh

Yeah but I’m lazy and consider the fact that I don’t want to get insulted the entire game because people thought I was “shit at the game” or whatever

[Cream]

VOTE: Jarek