Stratagem-10 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Memes]

Yah, we narrow down the PoE now that we have the upper hand in numbers. Players like Prisma are future miseliminations unless they happen to be exactly the Motion Detector with a soft check. If they were MD it would be unfortunate I’m 100% confident we got more chances of winning this game by working together during the day than laying low so you can use your power action.

[Jarek]

@Jarek

Nah I think I want some pressure on Jaiden if I have to clear Magnus based on the PR claim that’s going uncontested, the only other person I have some suspicions on their motives behind the sleep vote that almost saved Zorvo is Jaiden

Now, did Zorvo truly scumread Jaiden and was attempting to bus them based on his own read of Jaiden’s gameplay, or was Zorvo just bullshitting to push a person they actually town-read overboard?

I think the distinction between the two possibilities here could help. Zorvo’s gotta have reads like the rest of us right - except those reads would be flipped so he’d be scumreading the townreads and townreading the scumreads because he’s actually evil.

VOTE: Jaiden

From a purely pragmatic point of view, Jaiden’s got the highest chance of being a scum that was trying to save their Traitor. Else, the 2 goons were twiddling their thumbs watching their traitor die without much fanfare. I choose to believe that’s not the world we live in until proven wrong.

[Cream]

@Cream

In my mind… supposing Jaiden is scum. Then that means scum!Jaiden goes after mafia traitor for so long on D1, and so relentlessly. Thinking about the game setup, I don’t think mafia are inclined to go after traitor as doggedly as Jaiden did. Like, having played with mafia traitor a few times, they are very hard to catch, and usually end up as some end game deep wolf that people just can’t find. That’s usually how it goes from my experience. I don’t think as scum, Jaiden would be treating Zorvo in the way that she did. Or even if the scum plan was to just bus Zorvo from the start, I think Jaiden would have at least gone the full way with it, which she didn’t.

That stuff outweighed my intial doubts that I had D1 and like… once I think someone is town, they almost become a blindspot for me lol

I’ll try to do a re-read though

Note: I have not yet done my re-read. So my mind is still right here ^

[Jarek]

to be honest Motion detector is kinda trash to the point just hard-claiming it so that we have a day of a confirmed town leading us wouldn’t even be a bad thing.

The doctor actually has some use.

[Memes]

except they die tonight

[Jarek]

who dies

[Memes]

with the doctor dying tonight, the MD becomes very important

[Jarek]

Why can’t Jaiden be a wolf that was pushing their Traitor with the intent to eventually flip and clear Zorvo as a result on the basis that “I was being pushed by Jaiden so Jaiden wanted me dead; I am locktown!!”

[Memes]

Magnus claimed Doctor and has not been CCed

[Jarek]

the doctor outed

[Jarek]

I’d be tempted to CC just to throw some confusion in for the wolves but it’d confuse town too. Not worth it.

[Memes]

that’s be game throwing

[Jarek]

Would it?

[Memes]

Only claim if you are the real Doctor, otherwise just dont do it.

[Jarek]

Is lying about your role to protect the real PR throwing I don’t think that’s throwing

[Cream]

@Jarek

Why can’t Jaiden be a wolf that was pushing their Traitor with the intent to eventually flip and clear Zorvo as a result on the basis that “I was being pushed by Jaiden so Jaiden wanted me dead; I am locktown!!”

@Memes thoughts?

I honestly don’t see anything that rules this out from the top of my head.

[Memes]

Yes it would.

[Cream]

I need more braincells tbh

[Jarek]

The only thing that doesn’t work with this is the sleep vote that’d throw some suspicion on that kind of push. If Jaiden in that world wants to be seen as scumreading zorvo why would they sleep vote instead of going for the kill on their read

[Memes]

Unlikely. As a wolf I never risk my neck for a traitor. Hell, I’d do my best to keep him uninformed so they don’t have TMI.

If Jaiden is a wolf here, they’d switch at last moment to look like they lacked of TMI and well… it worked because it looks like lack of TMI.