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[PrincessAbigail]

Why does the vote count show Luka having 2 votes

[PrincessAbigail]

Send help

[Arctic]

@Luka

@Arctic

doesn’t realize it’s a joke (wolfy)

I dont understand this? Not recognizing a joke is normally silly not wolfy imo.

wolves are usually more worried about responding to things seriously. doesn’t apply to everyone, but in general it’s held true in my experience

@guavagudetama

I don’t really understand the Caitlin sus
It all just kinda seems like they don’t know what they’re doing
Which is fair cuz iirc they said this would be their second game

Like that’s not an excuse sometimes but one of the things Arctic pointed out was like
“Pointless line of questioning”
But it just seemed like something a new person would ask

And also when Arctic said that Caitlin not understanding a joke is a joke was wolfy is insane autistic people are DONE FOR!

this is not their second game. if they were new i would probably not be scumreading them. but they have tons of experience lol, they mostly play on MU. that’s why I don’t really believe they would actually think me posting about cop cover was LAMIST and the thought about zug being alive on day 2

im not sure there is an explanation for agreeing to the zug townread given their earlier posts, either?

i guess the joke point may not be AI because yeah but i’m confident everything else there is >rand wolf to some degree

@PrincessAbigail

Your voting Caitlin for being Caitlin lol

well i’ll see what she does later. i’m not condemning her for the bad start because i found her opener awkward the last time i played with her and she was town there (although it wasn’t as bad as here imo)

@May

@Arctic

do you actually believe this? this feels like incredibly lazy. do you not think i would want people to hypo as town?

Arctic is defensive. That’s Towny enough for me for now.

really?

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

well i’ll see what she does later. i’m not condemning her for the bad start because i found her opener awkward the last time i played with her and she was town there (although it wasn’t as bad as here imo)

Her start here wasn’t even bad lol

[PrincessAbigail]

Trying to start the actual game and jump through RVS > rand towny

Everything in this game is readable her reading into things and skipping rvs is good not evil. Wolf Caitlin just hides in rvs

[Arctic]

may did the thing that she used to do in her wolfgames before she leveled up, which was coming in and posting a big wall of vaguely TMI’ey reads then disappearing

but like i said
she leveled up her wolfgame and fooled me for most of the last game where she was a wolf. and didn’t really do this. so i’m not sure she just goes back to doing this as mafia. especially because she knows i used to catch her instantly when she did this.

in conclusion idk

unrelatedly
luka and garfooled feel like pretty easy town for level 1 reasons

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

may did the thing that she used to do in her wolfgames before she leveled up, which was coming in and posting a big wall of vaguely TMI’ey reads then disappearing

but like i said
she leveled up her wolfgame and fooled me for most of the last game where she was a wolf. and didn’t really do this. so i’m not sure she just goes back to doing this as mafia. especially because she knows i used to catch her instantly when she did this.

in conclusion idk

unrelatedly
luka and garfooled feel like pretty easy town for level 1 reasons

This is a lot of words to say something that could’ve been said in like one sentence and it’s… very hedgy.

[Arctic]

thats towny for me [citation needed]

[PrincessAbigail]

Also no seriously am I high or is the vote count broken

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

thats towny for me [citation needed]

I await the citation

[Arctic]

how good are you at reading her

i know of zero mafia couples that can actually read each other so

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

i know of zero mafia couples that can actually read each other so

This kind of shit actually pisses me off so much lol

[PrincessAbigail]

@Arctic

how good are you at reading her

About as good as I am at reading anyone so > rand

Not perfect. But I’m not perfect on anyone except Rem I’d trust myself more than anyone else in this lobby though.

[May]

@PrincessAbigail

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

@Arctic

really?

You tend to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against your benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of your wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that you would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is your wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

[PrincessAbigail]

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

This feels so weird… but believable I think to me…

[PrincessAbigail]

Town Core of 7 not including myself so I can sure is auto

So I’m gonna build that

Cait
Zwang
+5

May
Arctic
Luka

Knocking on the door

[May]

@Arctic

may did the thing that she used to do in her wolfgames before she leveled up, which was coming in and posting a big wall of vaguely TMI’ey reads then disappearing

I actually did that in my past wolfgames because that’s how I like playing town. That’s how I tend to play offsite. That’s how I imagined my towngames. The reality was that I was usually much more scattered and offhand around here, for multiple reasons, and upon realising that I was like “damn, that’s the problem, I should be playing better as town”, but I randed wolf three times in a row, so all I really could do was imitate the scattered-to-the-wind version of myself that I was in the past. Now I get to change things up. And open with what is both a wallpost full of reads given before dipping, and an esoteric towncase on you. I actually explicitly scumread you last game because I knew you’d caught me off towncases twice. Who’s the wolf now, wolfreadboy

[May]

Anyway, I think the broader thoughts floating around on Zug are currently that he’s towny, so let’s talk about that more, chat, shall we?

I feel like he’s thinking too much about the fact that he’s making reads. I think my read might come in no small part because…

@Zugzwang

tbhtbhtbhtbhtb

@Zugzwang

tbhtbhtbhtbthbthbthbthbthtbh

…he’s repeating something over and over again in his posts, which I tend to do as a stress habit(, nya), which I am not sure is a read that is very broadly applicable outside myself. Most people do not have my specific brand of issues.

Even with that aside, I think his posts are weird. He announces he’s leaving thread very loudly. He goes all “don’t make me come back to 1000 posts”. It doesn’t feel like an organic shape to me. It’s not a sharp one, either. It is like… half a footprint. To me. Warped strangely. How could you all townread someone whose posts warp strangely

[guavagudetama]

@PrincessAbigail

Its her second game on FoL not ever

OH gagged

[Luka]

@Arctic

wolves are usually more worried about responding to things seriously. doesn’t apply to everyone, but in general it’s held true in my experience

I see, thank you! I explained above why I disagreed with this logic, and it def doesn’t apply to me at the very least, but I see.

@Arctic

this is not their second game. if they were new i would probably not be scumreading them. but they have tons of experience lol, they mostly play on MU. that’s why I don’t really believe they would actually think me posting about cop cover was LAMIST and the thought about zug being alive on day 2

im not sure there is an explanation for agreeing to the zug townread given their earlier posts, either?

I want to see Caitlin give thoughts on this, or at least attempt to before dismissing it as no explanation can be given. It is def not Caits first game tho, and they’re def a good player.

@Arctic

well i’ll see what she does later. i’m not condemning her for the bad start because i found her opener awkward the last time i played with her and she was town there (although it wasn’t as bad as here imo)

Kind of connecting things to past games / showing thinking, but this post still isn’t my favorite. If her start there was akward and she was town I see no reason to push it here ngl, however you did say it was slightly worse so ill let it pass.

@WindwardAway

Don’t feel the need to it only concerned Caitlin and Arctic, and I think I made my opinion clear already.

This post surface level is townie but I still want the thoughts lol. I see no reason why it would hurt you to give your thoughts on this matter. All it does is fuel progression.

@guavagudetama

Which is fair cuz iirc they said this would be their second game

Where did they say this?

@guavagudetama

I don’t really understand the Caitlin sus

My vote at the very least is more for pressure as to anything else.

@guavagudetama

And also when Arctic said that Caitlin not understanding a joke is a joke was wolfy is insane autistic people are DONE FOR!

I agree that its weird in a sense, but I do also agree with the logic presented by why they would think that. Im not looking to much into it at the very least. This post gets a TL from guav for not following general consensis when that consensis is reasonable, but not a strong one. Id cait or guav flips scum look into the other.

@PrincessAbigail

How often do you think i do this as town vs scum?

Ive seen you do it like. 6 times as town and 1 time as scum(the latter you specifically asked me not cait despite cait being in the game) so id argue much more as town than scum. I also kinda have a meta reason for calling you good that I dont want to share.

@May

Having finally RANDED TOWN, I am now ready to start shaking up my own gameplay a little for my own entertainment. I got so, so goddamn bored in my last few games because, being a wolf, I had to just imitate what I’d always been doing. Can’t shake things up! They’ll kill you for that! I was much too scared! Let’s begin.

This is probably the best opening so far. Just townie in general, id give this a town lean.

@May

Guavagudetama is Towny . These “I don’t understand X sus” posts are surface-level wolfy, yes, and in a “town or mafia” quiz I’d hit the wolf button (I am very bad at “town or mafia” quizzes). However! Guava did not try to “ease in” to giving this read. It’s in a larger paragraph. It’s the first proper read Guava gives, and there’s not a sense that rain’s trying specifically to make it look like a casual observation, something that stands out to me a bit in their scumgames: they tend to give one-line reads in little bits and pieces, quoted one at a time.

I disagree with the read but it is a meta read so I cant say much; overall it doesn’t feel forced yes but it doesn’t feel screaming pure either.

@May

But I’m so polarised… I could never win a wolfgame… you would truly choose to be COMPLETELY doomed to fail, by wolfing with me (May) (never won a wolfgame) (too polarised)

I have seen like 5 posts from you and I already want to be wolf with you so shrug

@May

I think Zugzwang’s posts feel as if they have been carved carefully, and are therefore Wolfy. Some meta review may be in order, but I feel as though I am overly reliant on meta, and as though I played better without it. So I will pause on that for now and say that the posts feel like they are trying too hard to make jokes. Like a wolf would. Meanwhile I never have to try, because I’m always town. Wolfy

I once again disagree with this, I feel as though they come off naturally. However, coming off naturally early game is kinda nai imo; its mostly playstyle for early game agressiveness(I think Ive said this before). Id put Zug at null.

@May

Willing to express a “the-rules-don’t-apply-to-me” attitude and admit to not having much to add. Openly hiding information is also towny, though I’m curious to see where the unshared read ends up. I will keep an eye on this.

I will be holding you to it, but I do agree with this that it is townie. It is also easily fakable so im not really putting to much weight onto it; and id still like the information.

@May

howing this retroactive hesitation feels more like nuance in thoughts than trying to hedge, because a townread this early on isn’t something I think wolves would feel too scared about expressing.

I agree, but I feel as though town wouldnt be hyper concerned with it either. Garfooled is townie tho; there posts come off as natural and townie alligned. I also had other reasons and I forgot…

@May

Luka is Towny. Because I said so.

Pocketing attempt spotted… roll charisma…

@May

Arctic is defensive. That’s Towny enough for me for now

Being defensive isnt really townie or wolfy; both allignments are defensive.
Thoughts on May: Bit worried about a potential pocket, disagree with a few of there reads. Despite that, early game comprehension of what’s going on and progressing the game with a gamestate + pointng things out that nobodys pointied out(that I agree with) is townie. Town lean on May’s slot.

@PrincessAbigail

Also I like lightly town read Luka just putting Cait at 3 after calling one of her posts towny for content generation…

Why would you town read me for this? Wouldnt that be scummy?

@PrincessAbigail

Wanna mason?

Hmmm… Sure! Abbi locked town

@May

I know I said I was done making Judgements in bold and capitalised text, but it is a lot of Fun , turns out. Abbi is Towny . Further explanation on this will wait until after I eat Dinner and play Splatoon . Hold me to that.

I will.

@PrincessAbigail

However. This wagon formed way too fast for way too weak reasons.

Applying pressure isn’t really a weak reason.

@PrincessAbigail

Everything in this game is readable her reading into things and skipping rvs is good not evil. Wolf Caitlin just hides in rvs

Cait is a scary player and I cannot read her very well, so I’ll trust this meta read somewhat given we’re masoning.

@Arctic

she leveled up her wolfgame and fooled me for most of the last game where she was a wolf. and didn’t really do this. so i’m not sure she just goes back to doing this as mafia. especially because she knows i used to catch her instantly when she did this.

She openly said at the start of her post that she cant do things differently as wolf as thatl get her scum read or something similar; overall id say it leans good were this to be true.