Stratagem-27 FM - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY

[Magnus]

I hardclaim Devil’s Advocate, I am safe from execution today.

@May

On the side of Zenon, her tone here doesn’t particularly read like Starcraft’s, but I also know that she’s a player who has a lot of ability to observe her past wolfgames and shake them up, and I know she had pretty low motivation in that particular game. I think her reaction to Kiiruma’s “townclear” is how a wolf would react to a bad clear - knowing it would in all likelihood be revealed to be fake, she placed her vote on the easiest-to-suspect townie, Leafia (I think it’d be Garfooled if he were town, which is more evidence for the Neon/Gar world), and tried to avoid spewing anything or looking too proud of herself.

I mean, Neon did claim to be evil in her opening and in her last post. Anyway, Neon’s reasoning to vote Leafia at the start of today was because she didn’t believe the Wiz wagon could be clean, which works from a villager’s point of view. I’m not sure what her reads are, and she hasn’t been playing like in Helluva Boss either.

[Magnus]

@May

I’m honoured. Please kill me in real life anyway. They can find a sub for my slot.

There’s no need. I could just play for both of us

[Magnus]

@sulit

I guess I didn’t really notice that too much while reading their iso? They come off to me as a player with the play style of posting short and sweet little posts, is this typical of them?

It could be characteristic of Garfooled to realtime his thoughts in bursts, looking back at Need For Speed. …Your answer has been logged.

@sulit

@Magnus

I had the idea that Garfooled was TMI’ing Wiz as Town, and didn’t want to appear to eager to jump on that wagon because Wiz made himself claimviggable. Would you say that’s a bad take?

I disagree tbh, I feel like their reasoning was fairly specific ina towny way, I don’t think a wolf would follow the same train of thought like Garf did if that makes sense. It’s not a bad take, but the way Garf handles the slot doesn’t feel like a wolf with TMI, as I don’t think a wolf would come up with that kind of reasoning if that makes sense.

This doesn’t really respond to the question about Garfooled not wanting to pile onto Wiz. I’ll have to remember this later, I guess.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

No. I was town in the GI game.

You’re Mafia every game, even when you have a green rolecard. You have scrolls on

[Zenon]

@Kiiruma

So, Zenon is someone I’ve played with before a fair bit. I’m comparing Zenon’s behaviour to some other games I’ve played with in them and it just feels so… lacksidasical and wolfy.

Also, I was someone who said “If I was hider, I would hide behind Zenon”. Yet despite attacking someone who might be being hidden behind is a good move… mafia chose not to attack Zenon. This tells me that Zenon might just be mafia and mafia thought I might die anyway if I was the hider. Thankfully, I chose someone else if I’m the hider to avoid this.

Fun fact. Lackadaisical is not a synonym for my wolf game.

Sometimes it’s a synonym for my town game though.

[Zenon]

@Leafia

Placing Zenon back in the PoE where she belongs then with her play today.

Pretty sure the hider is alive too.

The 180 that the leaf has wrt my slot when I’m put into someone else’s PoE is noted.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

Why would you not read the roles in the OP when Litten was preaching mech all day and you were active?

TBF to Gar i also did not read the roles… and I’m town

[Zenon]

@May

@Zenon When you thought you were confirmed town because of Kiiruma’s possible Hider claim, you said you were just going to vote Leafia and then meme for the rest of the day. Memeing is admirable, but has your stance changed since Kiiruma admitted he didn’t hide behind you (if he is the hider)?

[Zenon]

@Leafia

Hmmmm, I think a scumteam of Zenon/Garfooled is plausible. Not sure how likely though.

[Zenon]

@Zenon

@May

@Zenon When you thought you were confirmed town because of Kiiruma’s possible Hider claim, you said you were just going to vote Leafia and then meme for the rest of the day. Memeing is admirable, but has your stance changed since Kiiruma admitted he didn’t hide behind you (if he is the hider)?

I will state that i feel like Leafia is softing hider.

I will also state that i donut believe it but it has given me pause.

I will also say that part of why i wanted this alt to be secret… but I’m a fucking idiot… is so that i could play differently and not be held to my other accounts standards.

I’m not Neon anymore. Neon is dead. Assuming i would play the same is a fallacy but one thing that remains is this. I am much more proud of my scum game than my town game and always have been. This ain’t it chief.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

Neon is dead

Is Neon dead forever?

[Zenon]

@Magnus

Is Neon dead forever?

Yes

[Zenon]

Zenon
Kiiruma
sulit
Magnus

That’s it. That’s my town core.

If Leafia is actually hider i think it’s just gar May

If Leafia is not hider as i believe my poe May Leafia Gar with Gar the least likely option imo.

[Zenon]

Hold your applause I know I’m amazing

[Magnus]

Why am I and Sulit in your towncore?

[Zenon]

@Magnus

Why am I and Sulit in your towncore?

I think Sulits frustration and concern over their inability to play because of connection issues impacting their game play here is rand towny

I am reading you on vibes and approach.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

If Leafia is actually hider i think it’s just gar May

If Leafia is not hider as i believe my poe May Leafia Gar with Gar the least likely option imo.

Either way, May’s a wolf. As you said earlier, so your thoughts are consistent.

[Zenon]

@Zenon

I am reading you on vibes and approach.

You are playing like the player i know. Waffly. You follow thread flow on suspects. You acknowledge and appease everyone.

I dunno if I’m explaining this well but I’ve noticed something wrt you where you tend to agree a lot with whomever you are actively engaged with and you like to play devils advocate but acknowledge the validity of peoples thoughts as town a lot. Like you were agreeing with points i was making until i left for the day than you started to turn on me as thread flow did when i was not here to defend myself.

That’s a big reason why i scum read you a lot. It comes across as agendad but in realizing that it’s a blind spot that’s caused me to misread you in the past I’m kinda looking out for it now and trying to read into your intent rather than your actions more.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

I dunno if I’m explaining this well but I’ve noticed something wrt you where you tend to agree a lot with whomever you are actively engaged with and you like to play devils advocate but acknowledge the validity of peoples thoughts as town a lot.

I hold people in a weird superposition in my mind whenever I think about them. At any time, I could either be interacting with a villager or with a wolf; from my perspective, there is no benefit to treating the person I’m talking to as a wolf, because that isn’t productive if I shut them out. So I’ll usually treat anyone I’m independently talking to as I would a villager, unless they’re outed scum or something, regardless of my actual reads.
Like in Helluva Boss as the best example, where I conversed with the obviously evil Frost as if he were a villager in order to try and gain further insight.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

I hold people in a weird superposition in my mind whenever I think about them. At any time, I could either be interacting with a villager or with a wolf; from my perspective, there is no benefit to treating the person I’m talking to as a wolf, because that isn’t productive if I shut them out. So I’ll usually treat anyone I’m independently talking to as I would a villager, unless they’re outed scum or something, regardless of my actual reads.
Like in Helluva Boss as the best example, where I conversed with the obviously evil Frost as if he were a villager in order to try and gain further insight.

See I treat everyone like they are town lol