Stratagem-27 FM - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY

[Zenon]

@Zenon

I am reading you on vibes and approach.

You are playing like the player i know. Waffly. You follow thread flow on suspects. You acknowledge and appease everyone.

I dunno if I’m explaining this well but I’ve noticed something wrt you where you tend to agree a lot with whomever you are actively engaged with and you like to play devils advocate but acknowledge the validity of peoples thoughts as town a lot. Like you were agreeing with points i was making until i left for the day than you started to turn on me as thread flow did when i was not here to defend myself.

That’s a big reason why i scum read you a lot. It comes across as agendad but in realizing that it’s a blind spot that’s caused me to misread you in the past I’m kinda looking out for it now and trying to read into your intent rather than your actions more.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

I dunno if I’m explaining this well but I’ve noticed something wrt you where you tend to agree a lot with whomever you are actively engaged with and you like to play devils advocate but acknowledge the validity of peoples thoughts as town a lot.

I hold people in a weird superposition in my mind whenever I think about them. At any time, I could either be interacting with a villager or with a wolf; from my perspective, there is no benefit to treating the person I’m talking to as a wolf, because that isn’t productive if I shut them out. So I’ll usually treat anyone I’m independently talking to as I would a villager, unless they’re outed scum or something, regardless of my actual reads.
Like in Helluva Boss as the best example, where I conversed with the obviously evil Frost as if he were a villager in order to try and gain further insight.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

I hold people in a weird superposition in my mind whenever I think about them. At any time, I could either be interacting with a villager or with a wolf; from my perspective, there is no benefit to treating the person I’m talking to as a wolf, because that isn’t productive if I shut them out. So I’ll usually treat anyone I’m independently talking to as I would a villager, unless they’re outed scum or something, regardless of my actual reads.
Like in Helluva Boss as the best example, where I conversed with the obviously evil Frost as if he were a villager in order to try and gain further insight.

See I treat everyone like they are town lol

[Magnus]

This is why I try to not post readlists if I can help it lol. It’s kind of awkward having a pleasant chat with someone, hearing them out when nobody else will, acknowledging their reads and their merits, before putting them in dead last.

[Magnus]

Not that I’m usually that bad anyway. I don’t treat everyone as good at all times, only to their face like I’m a high school senior.

[Leafia]

@Zenon

The 180 that the leaf has wrt my slot when I’m put into someone else’s PoE is noted.

It isn’t a 180 and it’s because I found out you weren’t confirmed like I thought you were. I just went back to my original read on you.

@Zenon

I will state that i feel like Leafia is softing hider.

I can’t confirm or deny this because of the anticlaim. I’ll reveal everything at start of D3 though.

@Zenon

See I treat everyone like they are town lol

Except me when you think I’m outed wolf despite me being a villager for some reason.

[Leafia]

Asor it being a Gar/May world, you’d have to sell me on it.

[Leafia]

Bcause I have a hard time imagining that May could be scum with how things have progressed.

[Zenon]

@Leafia

Except me when you think I’m outed wolf despite me being a villager for some reason.

I’m still treating you like town

[Leafia]

So you think voting someone is treating them as town? As well as calling them a wolf earlier?

[Magnus]

@Leafia

Bcause I have a hard time imagining that May could be scum with how things have progressed.

May could be scum. May could also be Town.
May’s likeliest partner would be Sulit followed by you. Proposing a Gar/Zenon world works if May was planning ahead to survive an extra day; this would make May the claimvig and Gar the Mafia Fool.
Garfooled.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

So you think voting someone is treating them as town? As well as calling them a wolf earlier?

Sure?

[Leafia]

I was talking to Zenon.

[Zenon]

@Leafia

So you think voting someone is treating them as town? As well as calling them a wolf earlier?

That’s playing the game. I have consistently spoken to you as if you are town.

[Magnus]

I know. I jumped in.

[Leafia]

I wish more people would do that honestly. Shivers due to bad memories of constantly being called wolf in other games and being treated as an outed wolf

I’ll be honest with you Zenon. I’m scared. Scared of being wrong about Gar, scared of accidentally saying something wrong due to wanting to get info out and thus getting claimvigged, scared of misexeing today and then losing the game in lylo due to not knowing who the wolves are, scared of a lot of things. I don’t know if we can win this without Litten. I wish he was alive.

[Leafia]

I’m also waiting for Zone to get back to me on whether a post I want to make is anticlaimviggable or not.

[Magnus]

…Could I ask what makes you scared? People are more likely to suspect you if you play like you’re scared about being suspected, or when you’re desperate.

[Leafia]

The fear that scum might actually have a shot at winning this basically.

[Magnus]

Mafia have a chance of winning every game, that’s the nature of competitive games. The fact of the matter is that there are two people here with goals that are misaligned from the rest of the town. That’s just a fact in every game of Mafia that is or will ever be played. Town has a major advantage in this game due to Litten, and his flip proves it was in good faith. I’m not sure why you’re scared.

Ow, my eyes hurt.