Tales of the Abyss - Town Victory!

[sulit]

I think Frost is the best exe based on Achro’s final words and their play early into the day, I’m just (trying) to take the day to get my reads together and figure out where I’m at.

I definitely would not say May is a strong townread, more of a townlean btw.

Besides that, you and Zenon are probably my strongest townreads, followed by my lighter townreads (Garfooled, Marluna, Sultan, Mr. L, May, Magnus), leaving my POE to be Lea, Frost, Hazard, Eli, Kiiruma, Hippo, and IGCD right now/

Archo’s read and this:

@Zenon

I think that Marluna is town based on me and Achro setting similar things in our early reads and Leafia spew and just general vibes

kinda turned me over on Marluna, but I may reevaluate it later.- Both Zenon and Achro seem to know Marluna better than me and have (had) very strong townreads on them.

[Zenon]

Fuck it

If a hammer happens i don’t even care we are stagnating

VOTE: Frost

[Zenon]

Night night

[Prophylaxis]

VOTE: Unvote

Would prefer not to hammer early today

[IfGodCouldDie]

Alright, just finished work. Ive been driving all day so i have to catch up from 1950, is there anything significant that has happened since then i should be aware of?

[sulit]

as for May,

I don’t think their inactivity is AI for them, and it’s something I tried to monopolize on to push May last game when I was mafia.

The thing that stands out to me about May is their treatment of me.

Last game I OWNED them L + ratio and they recognized this post game and acknoledged they wanted to do better

@May

However I was still a significant amount Owned by Sulit. I’m bad at recognizing when cases on me are in bad faith because I love being sus

@May

I even SAW that the push was BAD and INCONSISTENT I used my ONE QUESTION to go “your read on me is hailstoning so bad” and then I discarded it. I’ll get better at recognizing it in the fguture. I love when mafia games teach me lessons if I didn’t get a significant lesson this game I’d be so mad thank you Sulit

And I think this mindset is something they carry into this game, and something I think May goes about in a towny way. I’m not sure that May would even remember this or keep this in mind as a wolf, faking trying to solve me.

@May

sulit is towny for being the first on the Leafia wagon, and I like that ping on Garfooled there, I think.

@May

I’m vaguely cautious of you, but I’ve also reviewed and re-analyzed that game we played a million times. I’m obsessed with self-improvement. Having that wolfgame fresh in my mind makes me feel more likely to be able to read you well, not less. I know exactly what I’m looking for.

@May

Sulit still towny I’m feeling pretty strong changes from last game? It’s possible she’s the type of player who can Toss playstyle up in the air every day and night but for now they can the town read.

I believe May here that they tried to be more prepared to read me and I think it is towny they are looking for similarities between my play this game and the last.

Something that made my heart hurt to push on May last game is that they kept on making really towny posts that made wolf!me sad to push them for because they were like, pretty towny posts, and I’m seeing ones with the same vibes this game EX:

@May

I think but her posts as of late are trending up for me so townread for now Achro’s probably coaching her or some shit whatever problem for later

@May

Onething about Leafia is that she has been tol d many times that she TMIs her teammates and such, so, like… it’s certainly something she’s aware of and can work to change. She also ddin’t really have a distinctive line of… singular focus, pushing for anyone in particular, she was reaching out for any vote she thought she could get. I don’t feel the vibes of either the hard bus she goes for with many teammates (though the “oh, someone suspected my teammates, better run to agree” is something that couldstill be presentI want to lookfor that in particular)

@May

It makes me more cautious of those townreads she clearly gave consciously, especially given you r pile there contains me and one of my higher townreads. However I very much think the more subconscious/passive attempts to appeal to people are valuable & probably fairly reliable

@May

. I struggle to motivate myself when I’m not dissatisfied with the game state as soon as there’s some good tunnels up I disappear

Thoughts like “Achro is prolly coaching her in wolf chat lol,” the paranoia about Leafia learning to control her spew more, pinged me as towny, and I think that May’s semi-frustration with the game-state yesterday was genuine.

So, at this point in the ISO, you can imagine me scrolling through May’s iso toward EOD, thinking they’re pretty towny so far.

And then this is where I realize I might be wrong, and mistaken, and quite possible owned by May.

Summary

@May

Actually I am dissatisfied with this game state Leafia wagon is too runaway. Hold on BRB grabbing a scumcase

@May

Uhhh Leafia is plenty near her scum Mets but I also fear the you know Leafia thing.

@May

This is the point where I usually go “consensus sucks, regardless of how wolfy the top wagon is, start a counterwagon and see where it goes”

@May

I’d like to extend this question to everyone voting her, actually: if not Leafia, who would you want out?

@May

nstant OMGUS is towny for you, I think. You can have that read placed on pause for that. Moving on. VOTE: Achro

@May

dear god “do I vote town Achro or wolf Leafia” is maybe one of the funniest questions of all time and highly personality dependent

I think the counterwagon thought process could be towny??

But the way May goes about it makes me feel weird and scared

@May

FOR THE RECORD I did not actually want Achro out D1 he self resolves every time I would have swapped my vote to Leafia had it come down to it I just like counterwagon gaming

Especially because this is their defense? Like yeah I would have voted for the wolf EOD if it looked close! Of course!

Idk

I like the rest of their ISO but their treatment of Leafia is weird?

But I liked Leafia’s treatment of May?

@sulit

Both myself and May had 1 vote on us at the time, and if Leafia is trying to search for viable counterwagons, wagons with votes already on them is probably her best bet. I think May is the most towny from this, because Leafia voted May at a time where Archo has one vote and there was no real counter wagon. Also, Leafia calls on others to vote May with her.

So I think overall I still find May more towny than not but the confidence in my read has now decreased significantly

[sulit]

me owning myself for a whole post

[sulit]

i must now do MORE homework because apparently, that is something I have to do everyday ?

who thought of that

terrible!

[Mr.L]

@IfGodCouldDie

Alright, just finished work. Ive been driving all day so i have to catch up from 1950, is there anything significant that has happened since then i should be aware of?

Not really. We’re STILL waiting on Frost to give town/scum reads and thoughts from Achro flipping town.

[SultanOfSlam]

@IfGodCouldDie

Did you ever exsplain if your Doc Claim was fake?

[Magnus]

@Frostwolf103

The problem is, half of the wagon sheep voted without question. it requires not much homework to uncover that I am no way partnered, not interacting with Leafia doesn’t mean I was distancing or trying to keep her alive, its just the wagon being unpure, without resistance. I just can’t figure out who’s probably bussing Leafia at the time.

Saying that you’re not partnered with Leafia because you didn’t interact much with her isn’t really true. Evils play games without acknowledging each other all the time.

[Magnus]

The claim was retracted, iirc.

[Magnus]

@IfGodCouldDie

To prove a point to Lea, that even in an open setup you can fake claim and when i originally looked at roles i didnt see doctor on there so i thought i was claiming something not even listed.

Yep, it’s fine.

[Magnus]

@Frostwolf103

Okay well, I don’t think its really possible to solve besides the tunneling on Lea because she sheeped without an explanation. Sitting around doing nothing whole day sure showed.

Anyway, Frost has already dug his own grave due to his unwillingness to write a case. He is known to be capable as a villager, but when he’s evil his cases are usually obviously pushed in bad faith, so I think he might be trying not to spew anything. He’s also not SK or else he would be trying harder, I think.
This also suggests that nobody proficient in coaching is on the scumteam as well, or else Frost would have something to say from Mafia chat.

[Magnus]

Which should thereby mean that Lea and Frost are not W/W and that this is not theatre to make one of them look trusted afterward, either. We already knew this, because Lea was at worst SK, but this codifies the read.

[Hazardwaste]

Powers back! I’ll resume where i was

[Mr.L]

Which players here are proficient at coaching? Over on game faqs, coaching never actually happens.

[Magnus]

I like how the lack of an apostrophe makes it look like you’re saying that your powers are back.

[Hazardwaste]

THEY ARE BACK MAGNUS RUN FOR THE HILLS YOUR FIRST

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

@Frostwolf103

Okay well, I don’t think its really possible to solve besides the tunneling on Lea because she sheeped without an explanation. Sitting around doing nothing whole day sure showed.

Anyway, Frost has already dug his own grave due to his unwillingness to write a case. He is known to be capable as a villager, but when he’s evil his cases are usually obviously pushed in bad faith, so I think he might be trying not to spew anything. He’s also not SK or else he would be trying harder, I think.
This also suggests that nobody proficient in coaching is on the scumteam as well, or else Frost would have something to say from Mafia chat.

That is fine, but I am not motivated to play and players are not figuring things out for themselves by following achro dead words that doesnt make sense to the worldbuilding, its just stupid.

UNVOTE

Dont ask me stupid questions