The Amazing Digital Circus Vigilante ten-er - GAME OVER, MAFIA WIN

[Magnus]

@pandora

wow im so sleepy i do jot have any reaction to the last few posts inwas gonna push to kill magnus as a leafia partner but then leafia was like “what the fuck are you talking about” so i townread her now :thumbsu

I think this post is nulltown-indicative because it’s a sleepy thought ramble focusing on an unmentioned scumread on Leafia and a partnership extending from that topic. I have no real confidence in this read but it’s there.

[bystander]

no im not tryingnto improve i was already good am aleays good

how i psot just depends on how i frll like posting

[bystander]

also u lie

[bystander]

cuz i still justified stuff tou dont say that to me rn

[bystander]

im not that bas

[Magnus]

Paradox

@bystander

ok tutuu is town

@bystander

ok leafia v tutu v

@bystander

tutu chloe leafia v

Baldur’s Gate

@bystander

town leafia zon
tl fart

a rat: thunder by

@bystander

talking about role for both

i dont know leafia obv so i tr her for that

and u already stank up the whole thread so :D

@bystander

HAHAHAAH luka are you serious thats worse than some randomy VOTE: thunderstorm

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Hazbin Hotel

@bystander

sad part is that leafia kind of did this in baldurs gate so its not even like

normally i would wolfread that kind of stuff. but i feel like ppl love voting me BC IN BALDURS GATE omg that was acutally crazy the pure wagon LMAO pls. try not to ml bystander challenge

at least we won tho. i wouldnt mind being d1d if we win

cough

@bystander

idk i feel like leafia stirring up dramaa this early is towny when it felt not very in the game game stuff earlier. but maybe its jus cuz i like arguing save me

@bystander

ok i think leafia is town. the continuous poking is someone whos trying to search for answers. i dont think a wolf would bother to press in that much. (I MEAN they could but like stirring up stuff early isnt wha a wolf wants to do, they would wanna stay in a state where there’s no progress)

Do not accuse me of lying when there’s an obvious divergence in your alignment games such as this, even as an exaggeration, please.

[bystander]

yeh but u said i never have any justification

this isnt about how ur reading me its abt ur perception of my towngame i am not taking that rn.

im not some dimbass who only names names ok ty

[bystander]

and i can show u many games from mu

[Magnus]

I will amend “didn’t justify anything” as an exaggerative reference that I shouldn’t have said to “didn’t justify to the same extent as the sample wolf game”.

I am sorry for wounding your pride, and being tired is no excuse for doing so. Nonetheless, considering that MU has a different bracket for their posting format, particularly with pages, the amount of substance found in one post over there wouldn’t equate to one post over here. I don’t see the reason behind it.

[bystander]

nah i also easte if la

[bystander]

anyways magnus is probsblt town theough all of this but thats annoyingf

[Zugzwang]

that’s a good find
I’ll check it against more examples to see how it holds up

I do know a different meta-tell for Leafia, though it’s very easy to change so I can’t share that yet (though as of now they are probably in their town meta with this, too)

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

This has the format and cadence of a standard hardclaim copypasta, but I didn’t find it prewritten on FoL. I am forced to assume you wrote this by hand, which explains why the pleading fingertip emote faded into view during the latter portion of this message.

Hardshielding Tutuu forever. 28 possibilities remain.

How much of a joke was this post? Was it entirely a joke, or did it give you some townlean on Tutuu?

[Zugzwang]

I’m lean town on Magnus, though I’ll wait to explain why.

[Zugzwang]

@Garfooled

hi hi
i think you’re fine
i kinda dont like leafia
but that;s just leafia
i feel iffy about zugs also, but i haven’t really been reading deeply into their stuff, I don’t feel like reading tonight
nothing on jail yet
tutuu’s wariness of me feels town
I think that’s everyone

Could you explain why you didn’t like Leafia, and what made you wary of me?

[Zugzwang]

@bystander

tutus posts are like lowkey scary im ngl

Not w/w with Tutuu. Also somewhat towny for Bys, as W!Bys against T!Tutuu would know the source of their fear is Tutuu being a strong townie, and not wish to share that.

[Zugzwang]

My flavor is GLORBY GLOB MONSTER. It would appear that I am a SIGNIFICANT VILLAIN.

So with that said -

>>> I HARD CLAIM MAFIA <<<

I AM NEVER RESCINDING, AND I AM NOT FPSING. ANYONE WHO CC’S ME IS OUTED TOWN.

WHY AM I CLAIMING? Because due to this, I just outed myself as a painfully obvious >>> Vanilla Town <<< trying to provide shoddy cover for the Mafia.

And since I did that, the Town won’t be silly enough to ever kill me in day. As such, I will take advantage of this, by using my >>> FACTIONAL NIGHT KILL <<< at night to KILL A TOWN EVERY NIGHT.

I NEED HELP. SINCE I AM A >>> VULNERABLE MAFIA MEMBER <<< I NEED YOU GUYS TO LEAVE COVER FOR ME.

I BELIEVE I HAVE PROVIDED A DECENT ENOUGH COVER FOR MYSELF (ME, A >>> VULNERABLE MAFIA MEMBER <<< ) BUT ANY MORE COVER IS ALSO APPRECIATED.

Please, try to get the Town to think YOU are the Mafia so they kill YOU and not ME. So that I can shoot a new member of the Town EVERY NIGHT.

[pandora]

coper as in. one who copes

[pandora]

ragatha is very “look on the bright side :D”

[Zugzwang]

Baldur's Gate (Town), this tell holds

@Leafia

Maybe not assume stuff without any evidence to back it up?

@bystander

oh this is genuinely wolfy lol.

the way you responsed to my explanation of bionic being town was clearly to try to undermine it .

This is extremely wolfy. I’m not even scumreading Bionic, so why would I be trying to undermine a town read?

@bystander

thats NOT saying “oh bionic is town cuz hes not villagery” XD
and i wouldnt know bionic has that history. also hes not wolfy rn so lol no.

id be happy to hear about my weird vibes though

So just randomly pushing on someone for no reason is what you consider to be villagery? Not even considering worlds where I’m town is villagery? I don’t buy your act here for a second. This feels like TMI that Bionic is town to me.

@Frostwolf103

@Leafia you still working on the reactions analysis?

Someone else can do that. I’m no good at it.

@Bionic

@Arctic vote leafia please? i want pressure on them, and hopefully an execution

You or Bystander would be a better exe. I’m obviously not wolf here or I would’ve handled that far differently and you know it. Pressure won’t work on me this game as well since I don’t really care if I die or not here because if I get exed, you’ll be next Bionic when I flip town.

@bystander

reading old games on d1 is wasting time

Said no villager ever.

@bystander

only if you think leafia is lying that its only flavor. and it looks like ur trusting her to some extent

I would have literally no reason to do anything I’ve done today if I was a wolf because why wouldn’t I do things differently in a way that doesn’t make me look bad?

@bystander

thunderstorm is not mafia can u stop pressuring someone whos not in need of pressure

Tell that to Bionic and Zone.

@Frostwolf103

Animals only party, we are above deceit.

Also we have a cat already so no more catgirls

Meow. I’m a catleaf this game. Tara the catleaf. Giggles Yeah, now I’m just being silly.

@Leafia

No you’re not.

@Thunderstorm

Can somebody give me a TLDR of why Bysta is being wagoned and why Kiiruma randomly switched from me to Bysta despite being the most stubborn person alive 9/10 times?

Bysta is obvious scum.

@Thunderstorm

@Frostwolf103

Bystander’s the most circumstancial suspect for that matter.

She wouldve poisoned me at SoD if she had any such mech.

Doubt it.

@bystander

zone is sheeping leafia for no reason leafias reason is shit and frost thinks i slipped cuz i said i thought he and leafia were w/v but i wolfread both of them and kiiruma is sheeping for no reason too except they are a wolf

Just because you don’t agree with my reasoning doesn’t make it bad.

@Thunderstorm

I want to see Leafia’s reasoning.
Kiiruma is both a wolf and their reads seem to be pretty poor this game. @Kiiruma still waiting for reads that aren’t conditional on me being a w/w pairing with somebody when I hard defend my partners as village!

I somewhat doubt Kiiruma is a wolf here.

@Kiiruma

Your slot literally isn’t in your town meta either way. The Bystander/You pairing is just a bonus to it.

GTH both you and Thunder are villagers.

@Thunderstorm

VOTE: Kiiruma
@Bystander @Bionic Vote this please
@Leafia @Arctic @Catbae @TuTuu please look at my case on this and vote it

Stop having tunnelvision on Kiiruma and realize this isn’t how he wolfs.

@Kiiruma

To be fair this character only ever has 1 alignment.
I’ve not heard of an evil version of this character.
So actually, yeah, it is provable :D

I don’t think flavor is AI.

@Bionic

@Frostwolf103 the poison was from me I’m 99% sure

Explain.

@Bionic

I actually wanted to rb you to see if you mess with fish stuff, it’s a fake poison that’s a day roleblock

And you used that for so long as a reason to push me why?

@Frostwolf103

The fish may as well should have been puffer fish

Laughs

@Frostwolf103

But I must say, despite the forth and backing, the conversation is productive.

That much is true. Bionic’s action there generated content at least. Now to change my day action back.

@Kiiruma

@Thunderstorm

Ur mom!

Is dead.

I’m sorry to hear that. Gives Kiiruma a comforting leafhug

@Kiiruma

If I die then I die and get to avoid playing with Bystander who’s been rude af and Luka who’s honestly tilting me and doing the same vice versa. So it’s probably for the best that I do die instead of getting proven as town

That’s not for the best and we’re here to support you Kiiruma. If you ever have something you need to talk about, you can feel free to come to us. We’re all your friends here.

@Frostwolf103

@Arctic

as for the poison on frostwolf - uh. if he’s not lying about it, then i suspect this comes from town

In matter of perspective, this may have been true.

Considering Bionic admitted to it and revealed it was a fake poison, it probably did come from town.

@Jarek

Leafia (If it ain’t frost wolf and it ain’t bionic it’s leafia that’s evil in that hood. That’s it, that’s the read. Don’t take this one seriously.)

I honestly think the hood is pure at this point.

@bystander

now leafias just very flat and plain. repeating the same defense “i wouldnt do this as wolf” which is like. completely wifom. and like she doesnt admit that it is. and throughout this is actually an admittal of it being twtbaw which is like. like calling urself that is just like… no. although i dont think the original reason that bionic had has THAT much basis with the fish stuff but leafias response is just very broken record and bad even if it is cftwr.

You obviously have no idea of what WIFOM is, do you?

@Bionic

kiiruma is the new good vote now, lots happenec

He literally isn’t. No matter how sure you are that he’s a wolf, you should give himself a chance to prove himself at the very least.

@Someone

If your roleblocked its the same thing as u not acting how tf can anyone distinguish that

I think Kiiruma is claiming roleblock immune or something.

Hazbin Hotel (Town), this tell holds

@Leafia

CCing disguiser. Husk the sinner here by the way. Who wants to step outside, which could be the equivalent of being sent to Hell I guess.

@whatdafucc

i think 666News is an angel how do we vote them

Very slim villager lean for amusing me.

@Someone

VOTE: Djinra

Slightly scummy shereing here.

@Bionic

I thought i was on the evil team and wasn’t sent an invite

Same here at first due to the red coloring. Going to give Bionic a townlean too and maybe he has a point about alts. The last two games, they’ve been evil. Which means Djinra is probably good. Too bad the majority of us are evil.

VOTE: Djinra

@Someone

yea I havent either but saw like a music video

I’ve only seen the first episode myself. The series literally takes place in Hell interestingly enough.

@Leafia

That’s for a Hell phase. Then it’s a 24 hour HeVen phase then a 24 hour night.

Tutuu probably not w/w with the newbies.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Lets quickhammer and move to heaven phase

VOTE: Leafia @Leafia

Wrng phase. This is Hell phase, not Heaven phase. Going to give Hippo a very slim townleN too. He’s silly like this as town a lot.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Im p good at reading leafia and im senseing wolfia

At least one of these statements is wrong if Hippo isn’t being silly.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Again idk why wazza did that cuz it is confusing

Because of lore.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Also leafias done like 7 posts why are you defending them so hard

Why are you so insistant on me being a wolf?

@tutuu

oh yeah @whatdafucc

definitely don’t feel obligated to read everything

there will be a lot of fluff (not game-related topics) especially at game start, but also later down the line, depending on which players are playing. i ~never read everything, i just try to skim through and see if a post is worth reading or not

This is bad advice. You should try to read everything or else you risk missing something important.

@Garfooled

it’s a start
i dont actually SR you guys
I kinda like leafia tbh
and you’re null for now
but its the vibe I’m getting
if it’s one of you, svs is possible

This post honestly feels villagery to me.

@catbae

doesn’t the game start in heaven phase? thought it did

It starts in Hell phase.

@catbae

Hi (sorry for scumminess)

Slightly wolfy opener I feel.

@catbae

to that end i’m kind of ready to lock leafia as town already

This sounds pockety to me. How are you so sure that I’m a villager already?

@whatdafucc

here’s how this one reads to me:

strong true claim
clear recollection of an experience that you both shared followed by “or something”
leafia answer this question

it seems like a recipe for incepting the idea into leafias head. it seems that you have a valid claim to fluffery, and its probably true, but the way you wrote it, to me it reads like a question that is important for leafia to answer so that they fall into a logical trap with the conclusion they should not sus you. i think someone who is good/sinner would also bring a similar defense but just leave it at the facts. there seems to be an emotional aspect to asking “wasnt that u”, unless you are truly unsure about it

Willing to give What a townlean for this. Seems villagery to me.

@Garfooled

i think they’re trying to say you used a bit of AtE to get Leafia’s sus off of you

I don’t think she used any AtE.

@bystander

i think gira is p towny.

Who’s Gira?

Djinra I feel has a wolfy entrance.

@Leafia

While unvoting, Bystander accidentally voted for Unvote instead of unvoting.

@catbae

as for the second point, feel free to think what you like. i feel more confident giving a read on you after recent games and i thought the way you were pushing people was likely to come from a town perspective.

Fair enough for now.

@eaves

I wanna lynch in: Someone/bystander/tutuu/Eliza

Don’t want to execute Bysyander but fine with any of the other three. Preferably Someone though out of that list. I don’t like how he leaped to Bystander’s defense.

@whatdafucc

rn im feeling Eliza res catbae angel. i think there’s something to the Eliza thing we can use to solve. I don’t think anybody in the game takes Hippo saying to send Eliza to heaven seriously except catbae. Catbae said hippo is “pushing nonsense”, and almost voted Eliza to hell. so implicitly, catbae seems to think eliza is really angel instead of sinner like hippo says (which btw i think her short posts are kinda sus too but eh idk could be like a mafia LC idk). but catbae changes his mind to vote hippo first. so that kind of makes me think eliza really is a sinner, cos just cos hippo made sending her to heaven sound crazy doesnt mean we should automatically send her to hell, catbae knows that would make them look bad. it would also res hippo if she was sinner. i feel like maybe what happened is hippo did say it in a bullshit way but accidentally got it right. i only rlly sus two ppl rn which are catbae and bystander (bystander just lingering sus from earlier)

This sounds really long and confusing in a slightly wolfy way.

@bystander

i dont really like tutu i feel like their goal when coming in was to be some “helpful assistive” person. kind of gives the vibe of trying to gain the new ppls trust early on with stuff that isn’t solving and more so like just like helping out sort of stuff

Mindmeld with me right here.

@Bionic

i should be sent to heaven :3

The name of the movie is All Leafeons go to Heaven, so I should probably be sent.

Catbae brings up good points about Hippo too.

VOTE: Hippo

@Leafia

Same here for now.

@Djinra

Hippo: Um, nonchalant. So could be either or, shouldn’t trust. But kinda do. They essentially sussed Catbae and Leafie. And res Eliza. But there’s no info to really do this so it’s probably just based on their gut feel of hoping things play out. The comment about gonna survive to the end is… something.

Hippo is a flipped wolf.

@Djinra

If this next phase is heaven phase, like we want to send Sinners to Heaven. Then please for the love of god send me and set me free.

No freaking way. Why would we send someone who’s been mildly scummy over someone who is literally the reason Hippo got sent to Hell? Or even over the one Hippo was pushing?

@Djinra

I agree Catbae is Sinner and should be seen as sinner, but if he solved hippo he might solve more. So keep him around.

Not against being sent to Heaven in Catbae’s place…

Those are the only two options of who to send to Heaven. Catbae or I.

@eaves

Let’s send Leafia or Bionic, not you

Pfeferablly me over Bionic. Starting to think Catbae is needed for more solving too, which is definitely not my strong point. Plus, that other game I’m in starts tomorrow at 6 P.M. Yeah, I think there’s more benefit to sending me to heaven today. VOTE: Leafia

Above post looks like an exception but it’s replying to Catbae, so factoring that in it is normal

Stratagem-27 (Wolf), this tell doesn't work well, even some of the wolf-like posts were maybe NAI because they were in a debate with Magnus who was pushing them

@Leafia

UNVOTE

If we follow these rules, town will have a 91% chance of winning I estimate, if not higher, so I’m govinv Litten a slight townlean for coming up with them.

I suggest another rule to add to them too. Anyone claiming a role, even if it’s vanilla t pl wn,should be executed the day they claim. No exceptions, because they’ll die to the claimvig otherwise if they’re town. That wouldn’t be good.

@Garfooled

Hey last time Leafia accused someone of sheeping D1 they were also imposter

What you’re doing isn’t villagery in the slightest. Scumlean from me.

@Garfooled

Guys
…
I’m lost

I think if town listens to Litten this game, town just wins.

Minor wall. Replies to 2 people, somewhat towny by this standard

@Leafia

So you think Gar only has villagers voting for him?

@Magnus

Anyway, executing claims for only that one reason = bad

There’s also the fact that why would town claim when there’s the claimvig to worry about and Litten has outlined a winning plan that only works if no one claims?

@Zenon

Oh sweet i can do this than

Ah. A Neon alt.

Also following (hypothesized) town meta

@Leafia

Yup.

@Litten

I’m town reading Sulit right now. They aren’t in the box, but I town read their posts so

What are your other reads so far?

@sulit

So May is magnus and magnus is May is what I’m getting here

Read Flicker to know that isn’t the case. They’re only pretending to be each other for some reason.

I admittedly don’t like how Marluna goes offtopic like they do. Minor scumlean so far.

@Magnus

Leafia earned that vote fair and square by falsely claiming to be ‘first’ when she wasn’t really first. I beat her to the punch and she went ahead anyway

1. I didn’t see your first post until a quite a while after I had posted.

2. That’s not AI and doesn’t deserve a vote.

@Litten

Read through my posts to see why I want this, as I explained it already. Vigilante should not claim, but everyone who isn’t ciiglante shouke claim that they aren’t

I’m not the vig either.

@Kiiruma

This is why Litten is our leader.

Indeed it is. All hail Lord Litten!

@Litten

Why did my assistant have to sleep, what do I even pay them for

Wait, you’re paying me? I only accept leafcoins.

@Litten

This is why I’m fine with killing Marluna still

Not sure he’s the best exe actually. I still think Garfooled is better, although Marluna is trending a bit downwards for me right now.

@Litten

In order to combat that, everyone should claim that they are not the hider if they are not the hider too.

I’m not the hider either.

Arguably a few extra replies to Litten but for the most part not really

@Leafia

Pretty sure I’ve mentioned at least one other scumread or two but fair enough. Here’s my other reads so far.

Town

Leafia
Litten
Kiiruma

Townlean

Zenon
Eliza

Null

Wiz
May
Sulit

Scumlean

Magnus
Marluna

Scumread

Garfooled

There you have it. The readslist of a cute Leafeon villager.

@Magnus

Did you mean Sulit? You weren’t quoting Marluna.

I was talking about how Marluna does. I just didn’t feel like having lots of Marluna quotes showing how she did.

@Garfooled

I think they’re acting weird.
I’m their top SR but when I asked them about the T/T or T/W thing they said they don’t know what I am.
They’re inconsistent and cagey.

T/W far more likely.

@Garfooled

I wonder if it’s bcus they’re wolf and don’t know how to react properly to questioning or… There’s another explanation but I want them to give it to me instead of me giving it for them

I’ve been a bit too busy with RL to pay as much attention as I’d like to.this game and with me being innanother game that’s starting soon…yeah, you know.

Mostly replying to Gar, but short wall as well

@Leafia

@Magnus

I’m pretty sure Leafia does this a lot of evil, trying to cozy up with any town leaders long enough to kill them and live off their legacies. That is not to say her townread on Litten is unwarranted, but I think the way in which she’s trying to closely align her thoughts with Litten and kinda hide behind him is… concerning.

I do actually do that a lot as scum, but this is more me agreeing with Litten here. I don’t know how exactly I’d respond to that plan as a wolf.

@Magnus

If Leafia’s purpose was to dissuade people from claiming, there wouldn’t have been a need to suggest implementing a threat.

You do know how much people love claiming on this site, don’t you?

@Magnus

Someone might remember my thoughts from last game about anyone who positions themselves as a towny in this manner. Furthermore, Leafia cares about the box and might be trying to tamper with the box… it might be fine, but it feels like a red flag.

Hi Leafia. This is my present to you

This reads as someone trying to shade someone for no good reason honestly.

@Magnus

@Leafia

Scumlean

Magnus

You made this up on the spot

I did not.

Actually following the tell here

Below posts also follow it

@Leafia

@Magnus

The fact that you don’t respond well to pressure is exactly why I’m hoping to see how you behave when you are voted, because I think you react in different enough ways as either alignment. Not reacting well meaning you aren’t as restrained, meaning you’re therefore more honest.

This is not a real thought because you know perfectly well that I respond to pressure the same way as both alignments and most people think it’s in a acummy way. There’s a reason I was mislynched 4-5 times in a row as a villager D1 at one point.

@Magnus

Could you elaborate on this part? I checked your ISO, these were your last posts before mentioning this read that you ever acknowledged my existence.

Sure. Litten pointed out a few things about you that seemed scummy and I found myself agreeing with them.

@Magnus

(This isn’t a read on either of us.)

I never said it was.

@Magnus

Meaning this is incorrect, I responded because you were fictionalising a read because Garfooled was pushing you for a readlist

Wrong. You don’t need to mention a read to have one and you’ve played enough to know that.

@Garfooled

So it isn’t at all related to the fact that I both suspect u and Magnus and u would prefer I focus on them?

No it isn’t. For what it’s worth, I lightly don’t think you’re w/w with Magnus, so if one of you flips wolf, I’ll definitely reevaluate the other.

@Leafia

@Magnus

You’ve said this a few times today and I don’t think it means anything. If I’m holding an unrealistic expectation, I’d expect someone else to call me out. This is a pedantic attempt to get me to back off for no good reason whatsoever.

It’s because you’re being ridiculousand no one else but Litten is even on right now.

@Magnus

At which point the burden should probably be on you to improve your ability instead of shrugging and going “oh, this always happens”. You’re beyond capable of expressing your towniness, I’ve seen you, so I don’t believe you.

I’ve been ex ppl ressing it this game too.

@Magnus

@Leafia

you don’t necessarily have to ap pl ly pressure to someone to figure out their alignment

Sure. It’s only one vital scumreading tool that you’re asking me to discard entirely

It’s far from the only one though and why use something on someone when it doesn’t work on them? And you wonder why I’m scumreading you.

@Leafia

@Magnus

Litten was online an hour ago… did you mean Kiiruma?
You aren’t addressing any of my points in a way that matters, you’re just acting overly defensive and claiming that nothing matters.

No. Litten.

@Magnus

@Leafia

I’ve been ex ppl ressing it this game too.

In which case, you shouldn’t expect to act the same way as you would when evil.

I don’t expect to. I can’t help it if everyone finds the way I defend myself scummy though.

@Magnus

This sentence contradicts with the statement that you’ve been expressing your towniness by effectively saying that you can’t be read this way.

No it doesn’t. I’ve been expressing my towniness all game while not under pressure.

@Magnus

The reason why I asked you (clearly you, nobody else was posting at that time) for an alternative was because I wasn’t sure how you expected me to read you without scrutinising your slot. How am I supposed to read anyone’s slot without scrutinising them? It didn’t make sense to me so I asked you to come up with a reasonable idea

Maybe, I don’t know, isoing them and seeing what you think of them as well as by interacting with them?

@Leafia

You’re sounding upset that people don’t think we’re TvT here. I wonder why.

@Garfooled

U say that… But u just now address them after I mention it

You didn’t mention what I mentioned.

@Garfooled

Oh right, why does Leafia TR Zenon even?

Because her play is just like her villager meta.

@Garfooled

I have no reason to TR them, let Leafia answer

There’s now an excellent reason to townread them. That I’d rather not get into.

@Leafia

@Garfooled

u didnt address their SR read of u till now is my point

…have you been paying attention at all? I’ve been talking to Zenon about it since she voted for me.

@Garfooled

@Leafia

Because her play is just like her villager meta.

ok but how?

It just is. Like I said, I’m bad at explainations. Some of it is gut too.

@Magnus

Garfooled didn’t fall for the trap, he’s sticking to what he believes

Of course he’s sticking to voting me. This makes it even more likely that Sulit/Gar are w/w I think. Although I think he’d act this way even if Sulit was a villager honestly.

above is kinda inbetween

@Leafia

@sulit

@Magnus

Sulit is initially willing to let Litten slide, because that was what the rest of the town was doing and she didn’t want to put herself into the line of fire.

where the heck do you get that from lol

“Rest of the town was doing”

“Put herself into the line of fire”

I let Litten slide because I did not believe they’d push their plan that hard as a wolf ie “they said smart words”

I have no idea where you get the other two things from… kinda slimy to me

@Magnus

strongly argues that Litten deserves a stronger townread, which could indicate having TMI on Litten’s slot and wanting to pocket him.

I literally have already explained to you that it’s not that I disagree with the read, it’s that I find the logic weird:

@sulit

No, I’m not disagreeing with WhoeverMagnusMay

I’m saying that, as they had recognized that Litten’s post was towny, the logic should have extended to that Litten probably would not be pushing hard to play this optimally if they were mafia, leading to a stronger townread. The logic seems off to me. It’s not disagreement.

It’s a little strange that you’re still pushing this point despite me explaining it to you directly earlier.

@Magnus

However, her final vote on Marluna has no real justification behind it,

My final vote was just a general gut off feeling about them and sheeping Litten’s read. Others I had reason to townread more or reason not to vote.

Couldn’t sleep and this feels like a villagery kind of defensiveness to me honestly, so I’m shifting my vote back to Gar.

VOTE: Garfooled

@sulit

I also don’t really like how Leafia is joining on my wagon based on her familiarity with my scum game and town game

This I don’t like especially considering I only voted Sulit for pressure and one pressure vote isn’t exactly a wagon.

@sulit

Leafia and magnus dropping ranks for me too

This I don’t care much for either.

all one player (their partner, in this case)

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@Magnus

In what way did I feel partnered with Gar?

This following quote

@Magnus

If you had voted for Sulit there, that would indicate you were just trying to win back trust without really having convictions of your own, regardless of Sulit’s actual alignment or not, which is out of character from what I know about your townplay. You haven’t formed solid impressions on everyone that’s alive, which sucks, but you weren’t a pushover.
Actually, I think you would’ve been more likely to vote there if you were partnered with Sulit, because trying to dodge the idea of voting Sulit and then refusing to do it makes you look worse on the surface. Under the surface…
Hmm.

This post felt like you were softdefending Gar for ??? reasons.

@Magnus

Is this a sign of your internal worldview is lining up with your external thoughts?

Why don’t you tell me?

@May

You can’t just ask Leafia if her internal worldview is lining up with her external thoughts.

Agreed.

@Garfooled

I don’t like this. Can someone tell me why I don’t?
I think it’s just… Narrowing what the PR should do, I don’t like that predictability I think.

Not surprised that you wouldn’t like something that could confirm me.

@Garfooled

w h a t, so in the scenario where u don’t get killed and i don’t killed (bcus we’re T/W right?) there’s just further conflict the next day + one dead town.

And i’ll be confirmed town.

@Garfooled

I still don’t get why we’re being partnered lol
Leafia stated that we couldn’t be W/W D1

PoE and reads can change.

@Garfooled

How??

…anyone could answer you here.

@Magnus

@Garfooled

@Leafia

I’m not quite sure who could be Sulit’s partner, but it would have to be you or May from how I see it.
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How??

Because the POE is extremely small and if you’re good, Leafia isn’t about to accuse herself, meaning that Sulit’s wolf partner would literally have to be either May or I

As seen here Garfooled.

@Zenon

Seriously I donut think there’s ever a world where both wolves looked at the town leader leading a wagon that’s ez to give in cause of the way it was formed and went “yeah let’s avoid that”

I donut think there’s ever a world where both woofs are off wagon.

The world is this world. If you actually tried applying logic, you’d see that.

@sulit

slightly worried my room will not have service but we have high hopes

Hopefully it does.

@Magnus

What made Gar’s vote different to mine?

You voted first so his seemed opportunistic to me, like a wolf seeing a joke vote and leaping onto it.

fits town

@Leafia

Couldn’t sleep and don’t make me laugh Garfooled.

@sulit

In that it doesn’t feel like a mafia trying to pile onto a villager, and I also like their logic here, I can see v!Garf thinking this easily along with their own perspective of how they dealt with Litten’s post themselves

It’s exactly that.

@May

@Leafia You suspected Garfooled in the GI game, a suspicion which ended up being wrong. What in particular made/makes you think things are different this time around? Are there any particular tells you’ve noticed from him that make him differ from there?

It’s mostly how he has been acting towards my slot as well as how he has been during D1 in regards to what you noticed. I noticed it too. Then there’s how he was still trying to keep Zenon out of the towncore despite us all thinking that Kiiruma was the hider that hid behind Zenon last night, which didn’t sit well with me at all.

It felt to me like a wolf trying to keep the PoE as wide as possible, which the wolves are going to have to do this game if they want even the slimmest chance of winning.

@Garfooled

Leafia was mafosi in the GI game

No. I was town in the GI game.

@May

I will admit that this is an easy world to conceive of, as it doesn’t require me to wolfread Magnus (which is difficult, given we’ve always been T/T in the past), or Leafia (someone I suspect every game and have misexecuted a few times now), but I think it’s likely enough to be worth pursuing. I’d like to hear others’ thoughts here, because trial by town square is a good exercise to determine a case’s weaknesses.

Hmmmm, I think a scumteam of Zenon/Garfooled is plausible. Not sure how likely though.

fits town

@Leafia

@Zenon

The 180 that the leaf has wrt my slot when I’m put into someone else’s PoE is noted.

It isn’t a 180 and it’s because I found out you weren’t confirmed like I thought you were. I just went back to my original read on you.

@Zenon

I will state that i feel like Leafia is softing hider.

I can’t confirm or deny this because of the anticlaim. I’ll reveal everything at start of D3 though.

@Zenon

See I treat everyone like they are town lol

Except me when you think I’m outed wolf despite me being a villager for some reason.

fits wolf

I suspect W!Leafia has town-looking walls when they’re not pushing agenda. When Leafia isn’t pushing agenda, they’re free to respond to anyone, and just say what catches their eye. Whereas if they are, only a small subset of posts (generally from the same few people) are of use.

You can see in Tutuu’s original post that the wolf wall on Kanave was Leafia trying to wolfread Kanave, and looking at the votecount at the time:

Leafia discrediting Kanave here was important for wolf agenda (note that Jail was vote-for-town).