The Amazing Digital Circus Vigilante ten-er - GAME OVER, MAFIA WIN

[Garfooled]

k

[Garfooled]

wait i dont have rapport with you to bully you
(I’m messing with you)

[Garfooled]

@Garfooled

wait i dont have rapport with you to bully you

*enough rapport

[Garfooled]

fk me i cant engrish

[jail]

i was annoyed but not bc i wasnt being townread

[jail]

uhh

honestly i havent been a wolf in a while but my enjoyment usually isnt much different in terms of my alignment. id say i prefer being town but i still have fun as mafia. my enjoyment as mafia in a game heavily relies on like. how well im doing or how well mafia is doing

[jail]

its 2am

i will let the thoughts i have sit and simmer in my brain for now

goodnight weeblies

[Magnus]

All things considered, the enthusiasm behind suspecting Zug has waned, irrespective of Gar’s alignment. A brief skim over one of Zug’s performance in a recent scumgame demonstrated a narrow focus towards reading other players in that game, and here Zug’s been relatively verbal interacting from slot to slot. Even if his tone and specific outlooks seem off, I can accept a mistake.

Garfooled has been implicitly set up as the D1 execution and they aren’t particularly fighting nor surrendering to it. If Mafia, evil wouldn’t want to vote Gar so early in the Vigilante setup which supports Zug and Pandora. Considering the Rhea vote on Jail, I think comparing Rhea and Jail’s engagement should take centre focus, especially if Gar is evil. But if Gar isn’t evil, the current wagons are probably T/T and we should put someone else under the scope…

The gamestate suggests v!Jail either way but that’s a weak assumption.

@Zugzwang

This post was (and is) a large part of my TR on Magnus. Thinking about how they’ve narrowed down the teams occurs to an eager townie, and not a wolf. Which is why I wanted to know if Magnus was serious when writing this, because if they were, then it makes a lot more sense for T!Magnus to have this thought.

This isn’t a great reason to townread someone. I’ve calculated combinations before in the past so it’s something that would occur to me either way, given that it’s demonstrably premeditated unless you think I pulled that number out of thin air.

The townread might have been generous at the time I made it, but since Tutuu was statistically town and appeared blatantly pure as a polarised player, I didn’t tinfoil it too hard.

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

This isn’t a great reason to townread someone. I’ve calculated combinations before in the past so it’s something that would occur to me either way, given that it’s demonstrably premeditated unless you think I pulled that number out of thin air.

I thought you did find that number on the spot - it’s just 8 choose 2.

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

Even if his tone and specific outlooks seem off, I can accept a mistake.

What is your outlook, on everyone?

[Magnus]

Expecting myself and then Tutuu to be nightkilled by Mafia, willing to shield Leafia and Jail from elimination although we might need to swap one of them around, everyone else can probably die by execution / Vigi and it’s all fine.

Someone is characteristically town but not in a way I can hardconfirm. I vaguely would’ve expected w!Someone to pose mechanical questions and cast an agenda-motivated vote somewhere, whereas v!Someone feels lost at sea without moorings due to the social context.

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

Expecting myself and then Tutuu to be nightkilled by Mafia, willing to shield Leafia and Jail from elimination although we might need to swap one of them around, everyone else can probably die by execution / Vigi and it’s all fine.

Hm. Then why would you say my outlook is off?

@Zugzwang

— Town
tutuu
jail
Leafia
pandora, Magnus
bystander

— Null
Someone

— Light wolf
Rhea (if Gar is town move to null though)

— Lean wolf
Garfooled

here rn
ordered within tiers

@Magnus

Someone is characteristically town but not in a way I can hardconfirm. I vaguely would’ve expected w!Someone to pose mechanical questions and cast an agenda-motivated vote somewhere, whereas v!Someone feels lost at sea without moorings due to the social context.

Can you cite Someone in previous games to show this? or at least name some games where this pattern has held

[Magnus]

@Zugzwang

Hm. Then why would you say my outlook is off?

Your demeanour and some of the explanations for your reads were off. The general structure of your readlist is just comparable to a majority of the reads made in this game, nobody’s really trying to cause a scene. That’s either great or terrible.

@Zugzwang

Can you cite Someone in previous games to show this? or at least name some games where this pattern has held

The standard v!Someone shtick of “I don’t know how you’re socially reading people” is visible from numerous recent town games and I don’t think it’s fairly contentious.
My assessment of how w!Someone could act stemmed from the BG3 game, but I think that was a bad read in hindsight, actually.

@Someone

VOTE: Thunderstorm

I interpreted this as a random early bus vote, but it was prompted by Bionic.

@Someone

doesnt that mean rn its XYLO

This was a rules discussion.

At the very least my expectation of the Vigilante question might apply, but the shtick is NAI (and possibly even forced as evil). But it’s a bad read.

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

Your demeanour and some of the explanations for your reads were off.

My demeanor is mostly NAI, as noted earlier, though I’d understand if you don’t believe that. If there’s any specific explanations you think aren’t good, bring them up - either I can convince you otherwise, or your can improve my reads.

@Magnus

The general structure of your readlist is just comparable to a majority of the reads made in this game, nobody’s really trying to cause a scene. That’s either great or terrible.

I’ve been wondering about this myself. Currently though I feel confident enough on the popular TRs* to not be that concerned (though I do have a few paranoid thoughts about you and Leafia).

*and I also see reasonable worlds where they’re all town, and wolves simply got boxed out

[Magnus]

@Zugzwang

@bystander

tutus posts are like lowkey scary im ngl

Not w/w with Tutuu. Also somewhat towny for Bys, as W!Bys against T!Tutuu would know the source of their fear is Tutuu being a strong townie, and not wish to share that.

This message caught my eye earlier today, although I forgot about the specific contents until recently; this works as a representation. I dislike this logic despite appreciating the conclusion, since it not only explicitly suggests that w!Bystander would be afraid of v!Tutuu, but doesn’t consider why v!Bystander would be concerned about Tutuu.

The indication here is that v!Bystander could have been tinfoiling Tutuu at the time, and that’s the source of their fear. w!Bystander could be contemplating that v!Tutuu left their alignment unclear, and hoped to sow doubt. Your reasoning felt illogical.

[Zugzwang]

I didn’t note why v!Bystander would be concerned, because it seems quite obvious. Tutuu has a lot of thread influence, and is very proactive and somewhat forceful. If you don’t trust a player like that, then yes it’s quite natural to find them intimidating.

And I do feel that w!Bystander would be afraid of v!Tutuu, yes. Do you disagree with that? Or is it that you disagree with w!Bystander not wanting to share this feeling?

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

The indication here is that v!Bystander could have been tinfoiling Tutuu at the time

Also, note that this is Bystander’s 3rd post, about 2 minutes from when they entered thread. Almost certainly, they were not tinfoiling Tutuu. You can’t tinfoil someone you don’t have a read on yet. Rather, it was for reasons like these:

@Zugzwang

Tutuu has a lot of thread influence, and is very proactive and somewhat forceful. If you don’t trust a player like that, then yes it’s quite natural to find them intimidating.

[Magnus]

Wolf players usually tend to fall into the camp of fearing for their lives from players who could have their head, and oftentimes remain afraid until they reach the point of self-assurance where town should be afraid of them instead. I don’t think the raw comment is something that conclusively comes from town exclusively.

Aside note

@Zugzwang

Tutuu has a lot of thread influence, and is very proactive and somewhat forceful. If you don’t trust a player like that, then yes it’s quite natural to find them intimidating.

@Zugzwang

Almost certainly, they were not tinfoiling Tutuu.

These statements are antithetical to one another.

[Zugzwang]

@Magnus

Wolf players usually tend to fall into the camp of fearing for their lives from players who could have their head, and oftentimes remain afraid until they reach the point of self-assurance where town should be afraid of them instead. I don’t think the raw comment is something that conclusively comes from town exclusively.

I didn’t say it exclusively comes from town - Bystander is my least confident TR, after all. But I still believe a wolf is less likely to share something like that.

@Magnus

These statements are antithetical to one another.

They are not. Not trusting Tutuu =/= tinfoiling Tutuu. Tinfoiling requires having townread them.

[The-Showrunners]

Garfooled (2): pandora, Zugzwang
jail (2): Rhea, Leafia

Not Voting (6): tutuu, jail, bystander, Someone, Garfooled, Magnus