I think of it like a picture frame, drawing particular focus to one player.
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In any case, I like using my evil terminology as town. It feels constraining to be barred away from certain terminology.
You can frame a guilty party. We donāt need the connotations that I think theyāre innocent, because thatās just unneeded subtext.
Most people would say āThis looks bad for Xā to convey they think it looks suspicious but withold their personal judgement
āIt looks like X was framedā conveys that they think they look suspicious but their personal judgement is that theyāre town / innocent
(You can speak however you want!! Iām just saying!)
the worst part is the fact tutuu won
Donāt think I didnāt see what you said about me. Language, please. There will be consequences.
Just read Tutuuās wall. Itās a good wall, I mean that level of research and attention to detail cannot be argued with.
true, iām never gonna hear the end of it. heās already asking me for praise in DMs.
Vig10er is objectively more townsided than 9v2 Mountainous, the only exception is if the Vig is executed during the day which shouldnāt happen in a serious playerlist (You avoid this by not CFDing and not FPSing)
Even in the best case scenario for wolves: Kill Vig N1, Vig shoots Town N1, the math lines up to make it exactly the same as 9v2 Mountainous - Town has 3 avaliable mischops before LyLo (the vig shot is one of them). This is what happened here - Someone, pandora and Garfooled were the mischops town was allowed to make before LyLo
Kill the Vig any later than N1 and town has the potential to gain more and more. The vig is also an IC that canāt be CCed because town never needs to chop into them, they can shoot each other, and town is allowed to no-execute if they need to
That said I donāt know if 9 v 2 Mountainous is a balanced setup. Iāve heard opinions that itās wolfsided. I just did the math that Vig 10er is more townsided than it
Iām not arguing that Vig10er is an overall townsided setup, I just compared it to one of the most popular ones
12 v 3 Mountainous is unanimously wolfsided. Well that was an exaggeration. Majority think itās wolfsided and I agree. 9v2 is probably less wolfsided
9v2 is mountainous is pretty balanced but as you use a lower number of wolves thereās higher variance and itās easier for a team to snowball
i donāt think i have ever seen wolves win a vig 10āer in long form games, at least not on this site
Killing the Vig on N2 is also fine for wolves. That puts the number of players to even, they need to sleep at MyLo. Town doesnāt get an extra execution
Failing to kill the Vig by N2 is when town gets an extra kill. They basically stole one of Mafiaās kills, and transformed it into a town-lead kill
there was a turbo game where I made it to f4 as a vigilante, it really depends upon when mafia kills the vigilante as if you kill it early on it can be very helpful for mafia, while if you leave it to f4 well
So to summarize, the only differences (in my analysis) compared to 9v2 mountainous is that in Vig 10er mafia gets punished if they kill the Vig later than N2 and also a random town player will become an IC that they canāt execute
even if they kill it early on itās functionally the same number of MLs as 9v2 mountainous (which iād argue is sliiightly townsided)
but yes if the vig lives to f4 itās kinda broken. though itās probably on wolves at that point
the only problem is if the vig makes a bad shot lol
I did so badly that game I killed town and people were what the viiglante was doing and then I shot misty (mafia)
It was also my first ever turbo game and I rolled pr and was frozen
It grants a single player the ability to decide executions which has variance yeah