The Binding of Isaac Mad17 - Game Over (Terminal Lucidity) [Mafia Win]

[Delirium]

Bionic (4): Frostwolf103, sheepsaysmeep, Zugzwang, WindwardAway
Marluna (3): Luxy, Apocryphal, Creature
Zugzwang (2): Bionic, bystander

Not Voting (3): LittleLee, Marluna, Phraze

[Zugzwang]

@WindwardAway

@bystander

wwa btw on ur zug read i think its like

possible i guess cuz im also kinda worried hes not dead over derps and tutu

but like i feel like he was towny post wise other than that so

idk which to ignore

I have the same problem
I just remember this came up as a wolf tell in a previous game and it turned out to be right
no idea which game it was or anything, I was town and I have no recollection of what I did lol

missed this post from Bys

@bystander you asked me why I’m alive at SOD

@bystander

why are you alive

@Zugzwang

I don’t get nightkilled often anyway
but yesterday I asked for protection from Frost so

@bystander

ok

so… do you not think asking for protection is a reason I’d be alive?

[sheepsaysmeep]

Oh yea I remember gut townreading that lol

Or like, asking for the protective does actually benefit a wolf. Feels like something wolf amrock would do. But zug doesn’t strike me as the type to try to do some big mech play like that’s wolf, idk

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess Windward also did something similar that was also like believable

[bystander]

yes

[Zugzwang]

@sheepsaysmeep

I kinda think just bionic/marluna has to be 2 hits. Like everyone else has something decent going for them. If not then oh well gg I lost

after reading through Marluna’s ISO again, I’m ~here as well
previously had them at null* but the way they’re pushing Frost feels very ???

though I have a bit of tinfoil on Bionic now
I tried to wolfcase him and realize I have less than I thought I did

*well, initially today I still found that Marluna/Tutuu/Me thing towny. but given this:

@Marluna

He wanted a watcher on him.
He probably had a reason for that.

@Zugzwang

Voyeuring can verify/deny if Bionic claims roleblocked, and if anyone claims to have protected / watched Bionic

@Marluna

He wanted a watcher on him.

He probably had a reason for that.

this reason is not that though

@Zugzwang

@Luxy

Marluna though Bionic meant just any investigative in general?

When I first read that post I read that as Marluna trying to confirm a watcher went on Bionic

Marluna thought watcher meant any invest
which breaks our read there

[Luxy]

I don’t think Marluna/Frost are W/W, which is pretty obvious, but the reason for this was that I gave Marluna a group of names to ISO one and she picked frost and wolfread them.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Tbh I am not really feeling these “why are they still alive" reads. Like maybe I am not familiar enough with player reputations on this site or something that would be helpful, but I feel like the idea applies to a weirdly big number of players. it feels weird to me that windward is still alive. it is weird to me that zug is still alive. I find it maybe a bit weird that I am alive. I would probably include bystander, to me that kill makes more sense actually than not only derps but maybe too. I could probably name even more that should die over sirderps. they are just weird kills.

I also just dont really agree with arguments like Luxy’s that like the SDA kill looks especially bad for WWA for example. I actually think WWA had a decent point that SDA dying is worse for WWA than SDA living and scumreading WWA, in a non wifom way (unless I guess they were scared of SDA being some scary power role, then I guess it does make sense for WWA to really want SDA dead)

like when I saw the kills I am just like oh man this means I am getting more snowed than I thought I was. I think that is like the most I can take away from the kills personally. like it’s more likely that the night kills are for something I dont get because of how I am getting badly snowed, than it is that I can extract like something meaningful like ahh you can tell this was a zugzwang kill or a windward or bystander kill

I basically almost feel instinctively to call “why are they alive” pushes opportunistic but like, it feels like everyone is doing it including definitely some villas lo.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I guess. maybe the night kills could be explained NOT by the fact that I am getting snowed but instead just that theyre doing some really extreme doc dodging lol. like let’s say town has a bunch of defensive power like all the watchers, all the doctors, all the jailkeepers or something. so theyre making shots in the perceived middle of the park, even though the top of the park is like accurate and villagers

lol idk that seems like just poor play to me tho

like just like very unlikely for a team that’s boxed into our poe to feel able to go for

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh wow I misread the marluna thing too lol

[sheepsaysmeep]

wait idk

[Zugzwang]

@Zugzwang

previously had them at null* but the way they’re pushing Frost feels very ???

specifically

@Marluna

You need a bit more than claiming to convince me you are actual town.

There is no VT in game, so we have to exe someone with an ability anyway.

And even if you have the role, it doesn’t mean you can’t be mafia…

D2 I only saw you complaining. (I hardly can categorize your actions as defending yourself, even if you think you do.)

Do you have any actual thoughts beside that you are town?

the bolded has the subtext of “It is your job to prove you’re town to me; I am not trying to figure it out. And if you don’t prove it, I’m voting you”
it’s also a lot like what I saw from Pigeon (slanking wolf) while spectating Dorian Gray FM, which is why it first pinged me

@thepigeonnyc

I ISOed Derps and he seems too serious. Like he feels he needs to write valuable content to avoid being executed as Mafia. As Town in Singers he was much more laid back
VOTE: May
Gonna hop on this wagon for the time being, we’ll see if that changes

@thepigeonnyc

If you can convince me you’re Town sure

@thepigeonnyc

I haven’t been convinced that May is town
I’m easyish to convince though, so if you have a towncase for her lmk

@thepigeonnyc

My number 2 is May obviously, Derps was not doing his Town game and May hasn’t convinced me that she’s town either

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also she’s dropped the push today without reason, and generally seemed too confident yesterday than makes sense given how much she’s likely read/analyzed if town

[sheepsaysmeep]

this sold me

VOTE: marluna

[Zugzwang]

@sheepsaysmeep

I guess. maybe the night kills could be explained NOT by the fact that I am getting snowed but instead just that theyre doing some really extreme doc dodging lol. like let’s say town has a bunch of defensive power like all the watchers, all the doctors, all the jailkeepers or something. so theyre making shots in the perceived middle of the park, even though the top of the park is like accurate and villagers

lol idk that seems like just poor play to me tho

like just like very unlikely for a team that’s boxed into our poe to feel able to go for

mmmmmmmm
town probably does have most of the defensive power
since wolves have N2 vig, they have N2 Cop (or it’s out of play) if Bionic is wolf, they might have Voyeur (or out of play) if Marluna is wolf (they might also have the N1-N3 joat with a Voyeur action tho)

but even if that’s true, I agree IDK if they’d go for that

[Zugzwang]

VOTE: Marluna

[Zugzwang]

as for what I had on Bionic,

@Zugzwang

oh also

@Bionic

I feel like hippo is just gonna keep tinfoiling on me for the entire game and he is being weak on the push rn to try it later and just look harmless

this from Bionic pings me, combined with this post from earlier:

@Bionic

Hippo you’re doing like your jail game, people will consider your reads weak if you don’t give your reasonings

@Hippopablompoyeetus

ive founs another mafia

This is the extent of it

I wouldn’t call either of these wolfy on their own
but together they kinda look like Bionic is TRing Hippo, or at least not suspecting him, which doesn’t make much sense

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@Zugzwang

there’s a discrepancy between, like, Bionic’s posts about not wanting to lead an elimination today, and [how he played yesterday + his starting reaction to Hippos flip today]

he wasn’t super confident that Hippo would flip wolf D1, and didn’t seem to mind his town flip at the start of today
so then really not wanting to lead another elimination is like. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@Zugzwang

@Bionic

I’m not leading after d1 happened

@Bionic

nah i don’t think i should be calling the lynches at all

@Bionic

after 2 mislynches i would just accept i screwed up and threw

like this is. kinda harsh on himself compared to when he was like

@Bionic

Hippo isn’t a big loss considering he was probably gonna misexe me later and probably get misexed in a snowball effect, rip his never misexed status though

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and that w!Bionic is way more likely to be able to claim cop there

the thing that gives me doubts is that the last reason is the strongest, and it’s a probability thing that could just be wrong if we’re unlucky
plus the chance wolves have N2 cop free has gone down since they have N2 vig, and if Marluna’s wolf they have what Marluna is

[Zugzwang]

oh and there was also that Rhea had Bionic at a low null, and Derps was voting Bionic (buuuuuut Derps also at EOD just said Bionic was ? so that’s not too great)

@SirDerpsAlot

vote bionic cuz sulit town and bionic ?

[Bionic]

heeeello thats me :3

[Bionic]

the tie is long gone

[Bionic]

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