The Binding of Isaac Mad17 - Game Over (Terminal Lucidity) [Mafia Win]

[WindwardAway]

They’re not new

[Luxy]

Okay, good to know.

They’re probably not as towny as I thought then.

[WindwardAway]

They’ve been playing for at least 2 years, not sure if they played botc for longer

[SirDerpsAlot]

I dont think any of this is particularly towny tbh

[sulit]

all posts that are a level of game related

@Apocryphal

Littlelee probably~ rand!wolf

@Apocryphal

VOTE: tutuu

Wolf

@Apocryphal

Town

@Apocryphal

Bystander locktown for being the first to show up

Bionic town for not liking my post count and for the audacity to aim to kill windward

Tutuu wolf for being tutuu

@Apocryphal

Zugwang actually getting the ball rolling town tbh

@Apocryphal

Second thoughts have me drift bionic’s audacity down

Mostly because I get using refuge in audacity as a wolf

@Apocryphal

Not really sure what to think about Windward rn

But then again

I misread iawy in Anni off of similar “this isn’t what I expected out of them compared to that champs game”

So I’ll continue to hold judgement

Or just treat this like it’s essentially my first game with them

Nya

@Apocryphal

Though bionic for me is in a “scummy by virtue of everyone else posting better” kind of area

@Apocryphal

Could be a w/w/v situation with bionic/tutuu/hippo?

@Apocryphal

I soon moved to Tutuu because I instantly clocked his first post as wolf though

@Apocryphal

Bionic posts
Hippos post suck

Doubt they’re both wolves though
At most one of them is

@Apocryphal

I was the one who said that your posts had a wolfy vibe to them first

You’ve only retorted to me with the exact same point I made about you

It’s disingenuous as hell

@Apocryphal

Why am I townreading this

Goddamn townreading it because it’s a mood to how I was in the past

@Apocryphal

At least tutuu is still a wolf though

@Apocryphal

Sheep has convinced me that my reflexive townreading of Bionic and Hippo was actually likely a good read

Therefore

Locktown

@Apocryphal

Anyway though

Anyone interested in a Tutuu push?

@Apocryphal

I don’t have that much reason beyond instantly locking his first post as being wolfy

@Apocryphal

Eh

I expect one or both of you to get hung before then

Bionic likely today (though that could change in the next day+)

You maybe like d3

Nya

@Apocryphal

Hippo tunneled lmao

@Apocryphal

Also town reading the most active players is a choice

@Apocryphal

The slowness makes the tutuu wagon extremely boring

@Apocryphal

VOTE: SirDerpsAlot

This is spicier

@Apocryphal

The vibe of that variation was wolfy

@Apocryphal

That is effort

I want to town read it so badly

@Apocryphal

Actually Rhea’s entire body of work has this semi-towny verboseness to it

I mean, obviously it is somewhat fakeable, but I wanna believe

@Apocryphal

Sheep is an interesting one to put as a wolf tbh

@Apocryphal

The other three are a yeah sure, at this stage of the game I can see it

Sheep isn’t however

Which ironically makes him more fitting?

@Apocryphal

The potential snow pick

@Apocryphal

Yeah, that’s probably just a null that was put into the wolf team for filling the ranks purposes for tutuu

@Apocryphal

To be fair, even townies can be nervous at game start

I’d say let Phraze cook a bit before making any real judgement

@Apocryphal

Counterpoint:

If someone continues to avoid posting/contributing, I’ll simply just call for them to die because at that point they obviously do not or cannot participate in the game in a meaningful way.

Letting someone cook doesn’t mean not pressuring them, it means don’t preemptively jump to the gun of killing them.

(But ultimately, I do get what you mean, I just chronically say stuff that probably didn’t need to be said or even is counterproductive to say. Like putting a “Let them cook” shield on a null.)

@Apocryphal

I love that after n4 this game just becomes mountainous

@Apocryphal

Windward obvtown

@Apocryphal

I agree that Luxy feels more likely to be a wolf flip tbh

SDA, despite being a spicy read earlier in the game day, now is just a case of poking something hoping for something to happen just for nothing to happen

@Apocryphal

Actually

Nya

VOTE: hippo

@Apocryphal

Me: Sheep was probably right about Bionic and Hippo both being town, my gut also reflexively felt that way at the time of the reasons being stated

Also me: But I really wanna vote Hippo

Me: Why are you like this

@Apocryphal

UNVOTE

So anyway

@Apocryphal

I’m not reevaluating wind until a few more days and flips have occurred tbh

@Apocryphal

Wind as of right now is obvtown

@Apocryphal

Creature instantly making himself unpartnered by asking if someone was someone else

@Apocryphal

Let’s change that

VOTE: Luxy

@Apocryphal

The funny thing is that the disclaimer made it worst imo

Nakedly voting Luxy would still get questioned, but in a “Oh, why do you think this”

Here you know not only know it looks bad, but also trying to preemptively go “I have reasons for why I’m doing this, believe me!”

Which looks worse than nakedly voting

@Apocryphal

I think that is literally the joke of you look at their next post

But also sulit simply is just wolf /jk

@Apocryphal

It’s not even a good spbc reads list because Luxy has less posts than you

So maybe it really is just Sulit wolfing

@Apocryphal

Hippo and Bionic are both rand town but I wish for them both a very happy die

@Apocryphal

Tbh real

Creature can have d2 as a treat

Anything further without improvement is death

@Apocryphal

The sheer disconnect, I want to town read

@Apocryphal

What even is there to talk about with Phraze?

They’ve made what
5 posts?

I said let them cook, they didn’t cook, can die tbh

@Apocryphal

Highly amused by Sheep constantly flip flopping his votes

@Apocryphal

Anyway

VOTE: Phraze

@Apocryphal

Just a tad bit more equalized wagons

@Apocryphal

I hate the current wagons formation it’s both divided and also consensus

Mostly it’s me hating how quiet this game as been thus far

@Apocryphal

Tbh even if town, I just want them dead for not showing up

@Apocryphal

I mean

Hippo could be wolfing

I’m not really sold on hippo being town or wolf

One part of me wants to townread him
The other part wants to take him behind a shed and pull an Old Yeller

@Apocryphal

Maybe hippo is a better option

@Apocryphal

Just from an info perspective

@Apocryphal

Hippo/Bionic both need death

Phraze should die because of inactivity

Luxy and Sulit don’t really have good posts, don’t really have bad posts

Derps is ??? Can die

@Apocryphal

Also Marluna exists in the same category as Phraze

@Apocryphal

Pre-eod Vibecheck is like

Phraze/Hippo/Derps/Tutuu tbh

@Apocryphal

Tbh it’s mostly a

“I rather sheep the person with a better understanding of Phraze than the person who’s entire position is a ‘hmm i’unno if Phraze is it’” from my end

Like, I agree about Hippo needing death

Hell, I think they’re probably just both wolves

@Apocryphal

VOTE: hippo

@Apocryphal

I’m killing Bystander if this flips town and Phraze wolf btw

@Apocryphal

Sheep is a MUer

The reasons are that Windward is using old meta to scumread you

Because you literally haven’t been here at all

@Apocryphal

These low posters coming out of the woodwork give me the heebie-jeebies

@Apocryphal

@WindwardAway

Your pet scumread is here

@Apocryphal

This is probably a good towncore tbh

@Apocryphal

Bystander sus, what

@Apocryphal

Bystander has been towny from the start

@Apocryphal

Just has been

Locked her town from her first post and thus far my read hasn’t strayed

@Apocryphal

I’m not sure what to make of Phraze just now though as a whole

@Apocryphal

Hippo genuinely is probably our best bet tbh

@Apocryphal

Marluna???

Someone with even less posts than Phraze???

@Apocryphal

Rip Rhea

Also
I love not listening to my gut and killing a townie because of it

@Apocryphal

My brain says that trying to wifom out what the likely events that happened last night to be a waste of time. Set up is like mountainous role madness. Everyone is moving around, but there’s not really a guarantee that anything useful will come out of it, especially on n.

But nya

@Apocryphal

Frost can probably die, yeah

@Apocryphal

The funny thing about me agreeing with Marluna there is that I didn’t really like how Phraze and Marluna just came out of the woodworks during that EoD

@Apocryphal

Tbh it probably is just a case of that weekend being a bad start for Phraze and Marluna

@Apocryphal

Sometimes it feels like that most of the D1 wagons probably just aren’t it in a dead air dead village sense

Because a lot of D1 was very quiet

But then again something something people be having lives over the week

But at the same time

As I said yesterDay

Bionic has bad posts and can die tbh

(Even if a part of my gut is like “but you also had a moment where you were like ‘okay, maybe bionic and Hippo are just town’”)

@Apocryphal

I have been liking Tutuu’s posts today though

A part of me maintains the snap wolfread of his opening post

But like

Nya

@Apocryphal

Windward and Bystander obvtown

Phraze towny in a disconnected way

@Apocryphal

Other than Bionic, Derps and Frost come to mind as potentially woofs

Derps’s posts generally haven’t been good

Frost is mostly just a “What even is going through your mind?” kind of vibe? Plus some amount of “Bystander is seeing something there”

But not totally sold on any of these

@Apocryphal

This game feels hard in a “no one is particularly stand out” kind of way

Obviously Windward and Bystander are stand outedly towny, but kind of feels like most everyone else is making okay~ posts

@Apocryphal

@Delirium

Final Votecount:

Hippopablompoyeetus (4): Bionic, bystander, Apocryphal, Luxy
Phraze (2): WindwardAway, sheepsaysmeep
SirDerpsAlot (2): sulit, Rhea
bystander (2): Hippopablompoyeetus, Phraze
Luxy (1): tutuu
Marluna (1): Marluna
LittleLee (1): SirDerpsAlot

Not Voting (4): LittleLee, Creature, Zugzwang, Frostwolf103

5 minutes to send corrections

My best guess is like

Bionic/Luxy, Sulit, a vanity voter, and then someone in the not voting?

For the vanity voter, derps has thus far made the worst showing

For the non-voter, flip of a coin between Littlelee and Frost tbh unless creature continues to show little life

@Apocryphal

A Caveat being that if Phraze flips wolf, I think Bystander’s wolf equity raises
(And makes Luxy and Bionic less likely to be wolves. There was at most one wolf on the hippo wagon.)

Kind of don’t think it’s derps and littlelee are both wolves (with Sulit)

Doesn’t really make sense to me for two wolves to park their vote on a partner d1?

Obviously it has probably happened, but doesn’t feel like the vibe.

Or it is exactly the vibe tbh

@Apocryphal

VOTE: Sulit

The only one in the vibecheck who I don’t have wishy-washy opinion on

@Apocryphal

If I had to make a towncore in no particular order

I’d probably say like

Bystander
Windward
Sheep
Zugzwang
Tutuu

Those are the ones that I think are the least likely of flipping wolf just from how they have played the game thus far and my experience with them

(Sheep is probably the least confident read there though)

@Apocryphal

I honestly townread the sheer chutzpah to tunnel the one person who has spent the entire game defending you

Plus the two people who actually have relevant experience with Phraze townread them

So like

I’m erring on the side of being more likely town

@Apocryphal

As for the content, I get it, but part of their polarization from what I remember Windward has said is that as town you can see gears turn, but as wolf you’re just left feeling what the fuck.

I can see gears turn with Phraze

@Apocryphal

Bystander spent day 1 going “Guys, I don’t think Phraze is a wolf” while most others were following Windward going “My experience with Phraze says this is outing if they never show back up”

Phraze showed back up with a vote on Bystander, the one person who believed in them being town. And stuck to it even after learning that Bystander was townreading them because iirc they didn’t like how Bystander was going about it.

I expect basically any mafia to just accept the town read, because a town read is a town read.

@Apocryphal

I generally get that you think Phraze and I are paired for whatever reason

But my question is why do you think I’m a wolf, especially outside of Phraze, because I’m struggling to tell which one of us you think is more likely a wolf.

I presume that it’s a case of Phraze wolf doesn’t necessarily mean I’m a wolf, but if I’m a wolf Phraze is almost certainly a wolf?

Also, why do you think the two of us are paired?

@Apocryphal

Because like

Shifting gears often on a read, not actually that common, but also

Look at how hippo played

From a retrospective wholistic standpoint, obvtown. My gut told me so

But his literal actual posts everytime I interacted with them or read them? Wolfy as fuck

@Apocryphal

I’m like 69% sure they’re both joking, but like

If they aren’t I’m even more confused

Because why jump onto my wagon when both were town reading me from what I could tell yesterday?

@Apocryphal

Maybe Tutuu is wolfing

@Apocryphal

Not him hearting me contemplating him being a wolf

@Apocryphal

I’m killing Tutuu if SDA flips town

@Apocryphal

VOTE: derps

@Apocryphal

VOTE: tutuu

I hate how Tutuu went about this whole damn thing

@Apocryphal

To be fair though

Hippo wagon being pure is a possibility

At most one wolf regardless

@Apocryphal

The funniest world is me, SDA, tutuu, and Bystander all being town and doing this shit

@Apocryphal

Sulit is a good vote

@Apocryphal

VOTE: sulit

@Apocryphal

Vibechecked the wagon with Sulit as a wolf

@Apocryphal

Listen, if I was actually wolfing you would not be “hmmm, maybe Apo is wolfing”

I would be a hell of a lot more obvious

Because my posts suck way more as a wolf

@Apocryphal

Curious about the discounting of Bionic as a possibility

(And Luxy, but that’s a personal spicy Vibecheck of the EOD wagons read (aka me going top wagon probably has a wolf, and it has to be bionic or Luxy because bystander is locktown)

@Apocryphal

I was the one who didn’t like Marluna and Phraze’s eod pop-ins

Just didn’t vibe with low posters just showing up suddenly at eod

@Apocryphal

Windward gave her verdict of me being town with regards to the sheep-tutuu voting me incident

@Apocryphal

Derps doesn’t like how I post

Sheep voted me as a reaction test, tutuu joined in

I failed it, but in such a “what the fuck” way that Tutuu went back to town reading me. But still has paranoia about it

Sheep has yet to give his proper opinion/unvote

Mostly because of the aforementioned failed but in a “what the fuck” way

@Apocryphal

Anyway

I disagree with Tutuu that SDA and I are a difference check

I am convinced that SDA is town now

@Apocryphal

I think tutuu is town tbh

@Apocryphal

Tutuu is a tinfoilable nerd

@Apocryphal

Frost is one of those slots where it’s easy to see like

Both wolf flips and town flips

Which sucks

@Apocryphal

The towniest players in the game:

Apo is town

Phraze and Derps:

Imma ignore that

@Apocryphal

What do you mean piled on him

Man was d1’d with four fuckin votes made out of apathy and because the other potential target of Phraze was marginally townier by virtue of even fucking showing up and trying to solve as a supposedly polarized player

@Apocryphal

@Phraze

VOTE: Apocryphal

read a bit and I’m comfortable with bionic for now

Like seriously

Wh

@Apocryphal

The fuck you mean sure thing buddy

I was actually there

I am literally one of the people who voted for hippo

I am straight up one of the people who’s hands are bloodied by sacrificing him to the mafia gods upon the alter that is the daily execution

There is no “sure thing buddy”

I am right, because I was literally there and involved in the relevant incident

@Apocryphal

Just so you know, Luxy went through and amplified Rhea’s reads at day start, which had several critical updates from that reads list
Like (lightly) town reading Windward and I think Phraze?

Because like

That reads list was from Rhea’s entrance

Not her final posts of the day. I do not expect entrance reads lists to be representative of how one thinks at the end of day, except for maybe the initial stronger town reads.

@Apocryphal

Frost exists in a similar state right now to another player I’ve played with, who can be pretty accurate but always has the most what the fuck presence in thread because I cannot for the life of me scrute his thought process, but is pretty easily findable as town despite this.

@Apocryphal

Like, I want to town read Frost for this, but at the same time I hate it.

@Apocryphal

Like yeah, I can see what you mean by calling him lazy, I’ve been way more able to find Frost as town in prior games together iirc

And here his vibes are just wack

@Apocryphal

He’s nowhere near towncore levels of town

@Apocryphal

This is a PoE of all time

@Apocryphal

I am currently voting the person I think is more likely to be a wolf

@Apocryphal

(aka Sulit)

@Apocryphal

Though

A part of me is starting to get doubts

Mostly because of how stagnant the Sulit wagon has been

@Apocryphal

Fuck it we ball

VOTE: Derps

I’m going to bed now

there’s nothing in here that makes me want to pull apo out of my poe

progression is kinda wack

can’t see the gears turning

[WindwardAway]

It’s not towny considering that’s almost exactly how I see wolves push on town!Frost quite often

Problem is just that we don’t know Frost’s alignment lol
Tempted to say that if he’s town, we should probably kill Marluna for those posts

[SirDerpsAlot]

I think frost is probably town I don’t think they claim how they did as mafia

[sulit]

i could see a apo/bionic pairing

[Luxy]

Yeah I agree

Their ISO isn’t great at all looking back at it, especially coming from a player who seems to have a decent amount of experience.

I also don’t really want to kill a lowposter lol

[Luxy]

Why did everyone get off the Bionic wagon?

[sulit]

(based on apo’s treatment of them. i haven’t gone thru bionic’s iso yet.)

[sulit]

idk dawg

[SirDerpsAlot]

these wagons suck and wolves have clearly made no attempt to powerwolf because they don’t need to powerwolf to lead people rn

[Luxy]

[quote=“Luxy, post:2078, topic:9100, full:true”]

@Bionic

VOTE: apo

@Bionic

i do not like the message flood

RVS so probably NAI - they’re not really putting in any effort to solve early on.

@Bionic

we could lynch wind d1

@Bionic

it’s a d1 lynch might as well hve fun with it

VOTE: wind

@Bionic

imagine lynching someone d1 when they return to the game

Same

@Bionic

no im not town im bionic

Says this to a townread on themselves. Rhea read this as forcing a response to a read.

@Bionic

Hippo you’re doing like your jail game, people will consider your reads weak if you don’t give your reasonings

@Hippopablompoyeetus

ive founs another mafia

This is the extent of it

The tone of this post is reasonably wolfy (and I think Rhea picked up on it as well). Normally I would put more reasoning into this but I’m giving it a pass because hippo didn’t actually provide reasons for his read. If hippo had provided reasons, I would say this was an attempt to discredit a read rather than deal or make a sufficient counterargument against it. I find it quite wolfy to reference a time when someone previously misread you as a means to defend themselves in a new game.

@Bionic

If you’re gonna push me at least do it right smh

[quote=“Hippopablompoyeetus, post:417, topic:9100”]

@Bionic

Hippo you’re doing like your jail game, people will consider your reads weak if you don’t give your reasonings
[/quote]

Yes haha you remind me of jail game where i said u were mafia and no one listened to me

@Bionic

okay that is decent reasoning, whats your reason on tutuu?

I thought the top of these posts was reasonable. Bionic was attempting to get a reason for hippo’s read on them. But their response when hippo actually gives a reason is just like “okay, not turn your attention to this player”.

@Bionic

meh the vote on luxy wasn’t that wierd to me, he explained it pretty well even if it could be an easy cop out vote, that only matters if we know lucy alignment.

however

@tutuu

wolves randing alignment cop is hilarious. although i guess that means they take it away from town so it evens out

using the setup to make content is something I’d do as wolf don’t know about tutuu

This was in response to hippo wolfreading tutuu for their D1 post on my sulit read.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

We play a very similair way and i think of myself as a shitpost conneussuir and i think i can tell when mafia are shitposting in an attempt to be townread and when town are true shitposting

And youre giving me the same vibe you gave me in jail where actually a lot of what you are saying kinda seems to want to be townread

Hippo seemed reasonably certain on their Bionic read tbh.

@Bionic

Out of all my messages i just got that i:

• Voted apo for talking too much
• Voted wind for the silly
• Chilled a bit
• Questioned your line of thinking

If i was reading myself, i wouldn’t take any of this as town except the last one

Self aware.

@Bionic

i should read on derps and wind

@Bionic

Derps has nothing expect calling me mafia

Wind has a little more then nothing but i got nothing from reading it

@Bionic

and all the wagons areat 2 wtf

@Apocryphal

Let’s change that

VOTE: Luxy

@Bionic

you know what i think youre towny so we ball

VOTE: Luxy

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@WindwardAway

@Bionic do you have a reason for voting Luxy other than sheeping ApoThau?
[/quote]

no

I noticed this sequence earlier when I was reading the voters on my D1 wagon that I didn’t like. I read it as NAI back then. Bionic is quite a chaotic player. Not sure how I feel about it in the wider context just yet. I’m going to think about it.

@Bionic

VOTE: Hippo

And then he switches back to hippo and starts hard pushing him once the wagon on me started to fall away.

@Bionic

If you wanna thunderdome around me the whole game we are gonna solve this d1

@Bionic

you’re just trying to appear nice and jokey now beacuse you have 3 votes

[quote=“Bionic, post:1347, topic:9100”]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

im always nice and jokey
[/quote]

i renemebr you being seriously trying to actually rally up a vote on me on jail, where you were town and i was mafia

[quote=“Bionic, post:1357, topic:9100”]

@WindwardAway

What is the case on hippo anyway
[/quote]

I feel like hippo is just gonna keep tinfoiling on me for the entire game and he is being weak on the push rn to try it later and just look harmless

@Bionic

Ofc i wanna stay alive over someone who likely could be mafia

He even admits that his push was an omgus.

@Bionic

@WindwardAway

Why are you so obsessively concerned about getting misexed later on? It’s D1
[/quote]

I’d rather just not have a ticking bomb on me whenever hippo feels opportunistic

I think Windy kinda hit the spot with this.

@Bionic

Other wagons aren’t looking good either

Luxy had derps who is another wagon and Tutuu who was a wagon
Derps has rhea and sheep who are hard to read when they post walls, sheep a bit less

This I would say was his secondary reason for pushing on hippo?

It’s very low level reasoning - especially the Derps wagon read. The derps wagon was probably the most pure Day 1 wagon. This was also subtle shading of 4 players in one go. The mafia team is 4 players. I understand you may think more than 4 players are wolfy but this feels like a bit of a stretch.

@Bionic

Message i plan on sending at start of day

Hippo isn’t a big loss considering he was probably gonna misexe me later and probably get misexed in a snowball effect, rip his never misexed status though

I have no info or stuff from my role to share

:3c

And his opener today was not great as I mentioned above.

Overall, about 50% of his ISO is fluff. I also understand that Bionic has a loud playstyle and has tunnelling tendencies. That being said, he was chaotic all day one and very reserved SoD2 (obviously this may change). I also understand that tunnelling players for dubious reasons used to be a towntell of Bionic’s, but that now he does it as both alignments.

I haven’t seen anything that makes Bionic towny in his ISO. Most of it seems to be NAI/a joke. That being said, I think the hippo push was bad - the primary reasoning being that hippo would mislynch him later on if he was allowed to live past D1 and secondary reasoning that he didn’t like the voters on the other wagons. With respect, the primary reason is a bad reason to push on someone and is even worse when they flip town. I don’t think Bionic made any attempt, past asking for hippo’s reasons, to actually deal with his reasons or provide any sort of counterargument?

Another point is Bionic has been very self-centered and selfish this game. Pushing to lynch hippo because they might mislynch you without other reasons as well I think is wolf-siding at the very least. Townies should put the effort into understanding why someone may be pushing on them or misreading them, not just try to lynch them. Re-evaluating and understanding other’s perspectives and why they may think differently to you is an important mafia skill. This is a bit of a tangent and a rant, but I think the selfishness may be wolf indicative, rather than the bad play itself.

I’m very tempted to solve this dome ngl. I’ve always been one to lynch the counterwagon if the first wagon flipped town, though unfortunately there wasn’t exactly a counterwagon on Day 1 as very little players were around EoD1. Bionic was also mentioned by a few players to be a wolf, but never really gained any traction as a wagon, which isn’t a great look.

Finally, from NKA, Bionic did complain about Rhea’s wallposting and I don’t think Rhea said that Bionic was a townread at all, so they had no reason not to kill Rhea (and may have even wanted to to get rid of the walls lol).

I will note that I came to this ISO thinking Bionic may be a wolf, so my perspective may be conf!biased, so I would like people to correct me or put their input into the things I’ve said if they can see a different interpretation of Bionic’s posts thus far.

My points on Bionic

@Bionic

@Luxy

I find it quite wolfy to reference a time when someone previously misread you as a means to defend themselves in a new game.

i did it before on a game with luka

@Luxy

“okay, not turn your attention to this player”.

??? i was getting all the reasoning, he was also WRing tutuu

@Luxy

Hippo seemed reasonably certain on their Bionic read tbh.

Hippo had a good read of me on jail but it’s not correct now, zug even showed a wolf game of me Hippo TRd (or the opposite i forgot)

@Luxy

Overall, about 50% of his ISO is fluff

that’s all my previous games! This is not even a town or mafia thing for me i straight up fluff all the time

@Luxy

Another point is Bionic has been very self-centered and selfish this game. Pushing to lynch hippo because they might mislynch you without other reasons as well I think is wolf-siding at the very least.

I’d come as tacky and not genuine if i said i cared about voting someone who was gonna certainly push me later, it was a gamble, it failed, at least he isn’t gonna push me (but the mafia definitely will to get the free 2 for 1)

Bionic’s response

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@Luxy

Overall, about 50% of his ISO is fluff
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that’s all my previous games! This is not even a town or mafia thing for me i straight up fluff all the time

Yeah I am aware - I don’t think it’s AI at all for you. I was more saying it there wasn’t a tonne to put into the ISO because a lot of it was fluff.

@Bionic

@Luxy

Another point is Bionic has been very self-centered and selfish this game. Pushing to lynch hippo because they might mislynch you without other reasons as well I think is wolf-siding at the very least.
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I’d come as tacky and not genuine if i said i cared about voting someone who was gonna certainly push me later, it was a gamble, it failed, at least he isn’t gonna push me (but the mafia definitely will to get the free 2 for 1)

So do you think my push on you is justified? Or do you think I am wolf motivated in doing it?

My response to Bionic’s response

[Luxy]

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[WindwardAway]

@Luxy

Why did everyone get off the Bionic wagon?

Cause when I realtimed with him I was like ok maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt cause there were one or two towny posts there
I’m not going through his ISO to find them again, tho.

Idk how to read him. I voted him off of "if he advocated for killing hippo and then came in and started the day with, ‘oh too bad hippo flipped town, whatever’, and nobody is discussing it, then maybe he’s a wolf trying to skirt under the radar by being loud and confusing.

Which is like, not a great reason to vote anyone, I know, but it was a starting point to get him to talk and to get others to talk about his slot.

But yeah I do feel like a bunch of people followed me onto Bionic and then followed me onto sulit so I can’t tell if people trust me or if wolves are encouraging me to lead a mislunch and I’ve been super paranoid about it all day.

[Luxy]

@WindwardAway

But yeah I do feel like a bunch of people followed me onto Bionic and then followed me onto sulit so I can’t tell if people trust me or if wolves are encouraging me to lead a mislunch and I’ve been super paranoid about it all day.

The joys of being consensus town

[WindwardAway]

@SirDerpsAlot

these wagons suck and wolves have clearly made no attempt to powerwolf because they don’t need to powerwolf to lead people rn

Yeah but where the fuck else should the wagons be? If we dissolved both the top wagons rn who would you suggest to replace them? Sulits wagon is like, me, plus people sheeping me for whatever reason. Frost’s wagon is idk but I think I like it less.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@WindwardAway

Yeah but where the fuck else should the wagons be?

If you agree why arent you trying harder to find the right wagon?

[Bionic]

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