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[min]

King could very much be scum and it would calm my uneasiness on the slot if he died tbh

[Achromatic]

There might be a neutral, but hunting for those socially is usually awkward from my experience. Also he might have a cool town role or he wants scum to think he has a cool town role. WIFOM.

Anyway Porscha

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it’s better to try to read his posts with a lesser tone. unless he is attempting to be intimidating

So I initially town read this post from Porscha to Neon about my tone because we have had conflict in the past so she knows that I don’t really mean to come off as ‘grr’ as I do sometimes. Then I thought about it some more and realized Porscha usually has commentary for me early on in games where she is town with me. So, it’s not just the solving but it is her asking me a lot of questions while not really showing any worry about me. I don’t even think she asked anyone else about me really. Just doesn’t sit right with me.

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

while not really showing any worry about me

To be fair you’re claiming to self-resolve so nobody should be worried unless they’re Mafia who want you gone and think you’re real.

[Achromatic]

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lol fair I guess… calling that out might not have changed your chances of getting nk’d early anyway

Also if I read this the least bit uncharitably this feels like TMI.

[Achromatic]

Yet you voted me just this morning.

As did Min.

[Achromatic]

In fact Jarek, have you not been expressing a lot of worry about me all day since you just got fooled by a strong wolf?

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

just got fooled by a strong wolf?

I kinda tricked myself. I had too many games where I thought someone was town, didn’t say anything, they were town, got sussed for not speaking up.

Spoke up, even though there were signs. I don’t think my defense really even helped save him per say, I just felt that I was right. He mostly just kept saying he believed me.

[Achromatic]

Besides the point.

Why do you think only wolves would be worried about me if you voted for me?

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

Why do you think only wolves would be worried about me if you voted for me?

Retroactively applying my thought process to future reads.

That is to say, You’ve alleviated my concerns on you and I’m now thinking “It’s obvious this guy isn’t a good vote right now so why would you”

[Achromatic]

So why would that apply to Porscha?

[Leafia]

Not too sure what to think of this post,but it seems a bit wolfy and defensive to me. Not even that true either.

@Achromatic

I like the confidence. Back to town you go.

Not sure what there’s to like there.

@Rad

Pfff my ISO’s pretty fucking townie thanks. Openly sharing opinions, scum hunting, minimal fluff. What a bad take. I think you’re town but this is nonsense.

I honestly like the indignation here. Comes across as villagery in my book even if I don’t exactly agree. Then again, I don’t really remember any of Rad’s posts.

@Achromatic

Crich you were mostly a canary for litten’s alignment.

What did you get out of it? Also, current reads with explainations please.

@FRink

I disagree and like 5 people logged in over the past few hours to declare how towny they are and not push. I smell tomfoolery.

Please explain. @FRink

@Neon

I very strongly disagree. Nothing in your ISO is decidedly towny. Hove asked a bunch of questions that are easy and haven’t really led to anything. You’ve made a case on Alana that is just kind of okay. Asking open ended questions and concluding nothing. Barely there solving. Your insistence that your town when pressured is weird. Your desire to obtain further info about claims is akin to role fishing and I think your desire to obtain “my full role name” is simply to see if I can provide it to you or if I’m a decoy.

Just had a thought too. Scum might need the exact role name in order to anticlaim it. I remember that being the case in at least one game.

@Rad

What are you even talking about?

I don’t care if you’ve pushed other slots. I know you specifically asked to try to scum hunt until end of day and then requested you be flipped after. I had no problem with that.

Only problem I have is you thinking I’m sus when I’m trying to find out your role name when you’ve specifically said you’re singer and you need to die today but you’re still unwilling to give the actual role name. I’ve told you why I want the role name. What’s your deal man?

I’m with Neon here honestly. Who cares what her role name is? She’s an uncced singer when a singer is confirmed to be in play. Lay off with that.

@Neon

What makes confidence in your ISO and insistence in its towniness even remotely town AI?

That is so easy to fake as scum. I’ve faked it as scum and I’m awful at scum. Its NAI at best and your weak push onto the slot and than immediate withdrawal based on something that mild would ping me so hard if I wasn’t particularly aware in your abilities as a player.

It’s giving me pause too. Such confidence is ???. If it was anyone but Achro, I’d be scumleaning them slightly for it.

@Neon

I… really really don’t get your insistence that this is town and it confuses the hell out of me as someone who respects your game.

Mindmeld time.

@Achromatic

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

Some require the exact role name though. I’ve been scum in at least one game like that.

@Neon

Rad/Achro never W/W

Agreed.

@Neon

Thank you…I need one person to agree with me or I start thinking I’m losing my mind.

I agree with you. You’re not losing your mind.

@CRichardFortressLies

You’ve been towny from what I’ve seen from you.
Yet my host meta on you tells me that I shouldn’t clear you that easily and that paranoia over your slot is understandable ala Unimeko.

Anyone clearing Achro right now for how he has been so far should be considered to be lock wolf in my book. After all, look how he was in Morbainado.

@Achromatic

Anyway I have small sample size as stated but Gyrlander seems to be violating their self-professed meta in Umineko here, is lifeless, and I will now suggest everyone vote here.

I have nothing wrong with that. VOTE: Gyrlander

Especially with how he showed clear signs of agenda upon getting into the thread. It felt like he was upset that the pressure on me had gone down because it was making it harder to misexe me.

@Achromatic

“Hey neon I think this person is town-”

“FUCK that guy”

“alright”

Laughs You get town points here for making me laugh IRL. Please don’t be a wolf.

@Neon

Leafia is Leafia. They are playing like Leafia.

Yeah. I play like Leafia a lot. I’m very good at it.

@CRichardFortressLies

Short answer that you’d find hard to believe is that I have a green rolecard.

Can’t resist pointing this out, but aliens are traditionally green. Are you claiming alien here? j/k

@Neon

Wouldn’t it be better to find scum that gives us more? Gyr provides us nothing at this stage even if they flip red which like…I have zero reason to think they will or won’t lol

Do you know anyone more likely to flip scum?

@Achromatic

VOTE: min

Okay sheeping FRink on this because I think gyr is town now.

How come? Because I’m not seeing it. He loves getting votes as a villager yet here he seems outraged to have votes and you think he’s a villager why?

I’m honestly getting possible defending a scumbuddy or having TMI that Gyr is town vibes from Achro and it scares me.

@Magnus

I like the “rejoin a dead evil to the scumchat for a cycle” ability, although I guess that never saw any use.

I had something like that in Trials and Tribulations except dead scum could post in scumchat as long as I was still alive that game.

@Achromatic

Would you guys like to know my SECRET SCUM READ?

I think it’s accurate tbh

Yes please.

@Achromatic

The wolf hides in plain sight
Readies to take of us a bite
They post and yet do not hunt
Question but do not confront

No idea who it could be. TheTroll does come to mind though.

@Achromatic

Well seeing as I have tortured you with my mysterious ways I will just tell you.

Read Porscha’s iso and find a read. A town read. A scum read. Just pick one out and quote it for me. Go on.

Hmmm, does Porche even have any reads? I don’t remember much from them.

@Magnus

In 13 hours.

EoD is tomorrow I think. Not today. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

@Achromatic

I don’t know like 7pm est would be my guess lol

A little after 9 P.M.

@alana

yea my magnus townread intensified because he’s listing his concerns on me yet seems genuinely interested in finding my alignment rather than look for a suspect for the sake of looking for a suspect.

and no im not really interested in spending the day defending myself from people overanalysing my posts when they are heavily overthinking things so i dont really see any point in responding to those things

Hmmm, somewhat villagery response.

@Jarek

The whole joke I made being turned into a serious vote with what felt like a serious argument about it implied they scumread me for it. It felt like a weak reason - a wolf trying to kick the game off by appearing active.

I’ve explained time and time again that the vote wasn’t a serious one at first.

@Jarek

They’ve ignored my slot since. Haven’t bothered scum-reading me or Town-reading me. It’s just weird how they went from 100 to 0 on me like that. They think they have a read on me why aren’t they pressuring me more? Prolly because they got cold feet and realised people were calling them out on the poor reasoning.

It’s because I realized you were likely town due to how similar to Jaiden you felt. I already explained that. Also, there’s other people in the game too and multiple wolves so concentrating on you doesn’t help the village win.

@Jarek

I mean go back and read that post they straw-manned my argument. It went from “you’re evil because of your joke vote” to “you’re evil because you OMGUS voted” in the span of a second and it was just weird . How can you be so sure so early?

Do you know what a vote for pressure even is? Obviously not. I never called you evil due to the joke read. I just wanted to apply pressure to get you to explain it and you OMGUSing me over it came across as very scummy.

@Achromatic

Yet you voted me just this morning.

As did Min.

Legitimitely made me laugh IRL. Laughs

@Achromatic

Besides the point.

Why do you think only wolves would be worried about me if you voted for me?

A very good question honestly.

[Jarek]

Okay I don’t know how to explain this if that didn’t explain it for you but basically I’m looking at you and thinking you’re not a good kill because you’ve got a claim that self-resolves and overall shouldn’t be worried about it because it self-resolves. You refuted my reason for voting you as “If you can’t wagon it don’t bother” which I agree with because what good does saying “this guy is sus” going to do if it’s not going to get anywhere

I’m just applying that logic to everyone else now. I’m not really sure how I explain this.

[Achromatic]

Jarek, I’m not going to lie to you my friend, that looks like a perspective slip.

You have been expressing worry about me.

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Okay fair. I’m mostly just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. I don’t really get the vibe that I’m on the right track with anybody right now. (Probably because every push I’ve made has been riddled with obvious mistakes). I don’t know if your claim is a lie or not and that’s the problem. If you’re evil you’d be a god-tier kill because you’d most likely be looking to defend your teammates and throw suspicion on townies using your claim and loud stature in the town as a means to…

worry

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I dunno. You’re not wrong you’ve been active. It looks good. But I’ve been told you’re a good player so you might just be able to pull something like that off as a wolf. I mostly just distrust any claim that demands to be left alone it just bothers me. If you got away with it and people believed you without even thinking about it then you could run away with it.

worry

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I will sympathy vote for you because that feels bad VOTE: Achro I also do think that this slot needs a bit of pressure because claiming they’re confirmed D4 when D4 is really far away is a little scary. People have brought up that means we’d be 5v3 assuming 3 wolves at that point and I don’t think it’s impossible that they’re just a really strong wolf role that might be able to double vote or something when they get there idk I like achro but I also don’t trust claims that make me want to no…

worry

and yet when I note porscha’s lack of worry.

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To be fair you’re claiming to self-resolve so nobody should be worried unless they’re Mafia who want you gone and think you’re real.

Hm.

Jarek I am a bit concerned here suddenly.

[Achromatic]

@min @Litten @Magnus @CRichardFortressLies @alana @Leafia @Gyrlander

thoughts on the above please

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

You have been expressing worry about me.

This is the best 180 of all time.

I was looking forward to actually playing this game without having to defend myself 24/7 for once too

[Achromatic]

And also Jarek’s explanations.

[Leafia]

@Leafia

Not too sure what to think of this post,but it seems a bit wolfy and defensive to me. Not even that true either.

Thought it was Gyr’s post here at first.

[Achromatic]

I mean, yeah sorry but like.

Your explanation sounds quite confusing to me. If it was natural for you to be suspicious of me a few hours ago, why would it suddenly be wolfy? Feels like a bad pocket attempt.

[Jarek]

@Achromatic

Feels like a bad pocket attempt.

If I was trying to do that I think I’d have stopped engaging with you around about the time you said you trust me and said I was thinking town. Not hard to say I need to leave the thread for a few hours you know. I enjoyed being town-read though it’s quite rare for me because people think I’m evil for not thinking properly

Kinda like what you’re doing now actually. But that’s fine it’s literally how it goes every game for me anyway.

[Leafia]

Yeah,it is a bit concerning admittedly. Definitely something to think about at least.