Undertale Overhaul - MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY

same.

If I get blown up by a landmine just kill them thanks

Part of me thinks this is just a trick or bait or whatever but no risks no glory

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this is probably town. risk taking as town is something I expect from Jarek

Well I haven’t walked into the trap yet but I’m going to

In the great words of jarek

It’s this quote that I will point to as evidence of you being mafia. You seem very high-strung throughout this conversation, and while, granted, Tutuu is pushing you, but (and this is a tad bit of a jump) there’s not really a train. There is nothing that poses a long-term threat to you, yet you’re acting as if you’re two votes from hammer. From experience, I don’t trust people who are extremely defensive, especially on D1, and given how incredibly antsy you are here, disproportionately so in my eyes, I would argue that you are mafia.
Some other quotes to reinforce this panic, all of them being when you’re at two or fewer votes:

I think this one speaks for itself. There’s a great deal of anger at being accused, and for a bit, I chalked this up to this being your play style (until I saw the first quote, but I’ve already spoken about that). Having said that, seeing a single vote on you and posting an entire reads list to counteract that seems, I dunno, excessive?

You’re trying to defend yourself from…
[checks notes]
Icet. The person who is clearly memeing.

I’m gonna be frank: I don’t know why this post is sending off alarm bells, but it’s sending off alarm bells for me.

Luka noted earlier in the thread that you haven’t really contributed much to discussion (personally, on Luka, I’m still not sure whether he’s town or a second 3P, but imo, he’s too IDGAF to be mafia), and I think this is a good example of that.
Your reads are:

  • Millium’s opener does not seem like mafia.
  • Bakefia might be town based on the “spew” over my vanillizer joke, and the fact that they seem suspicious of Millium “needs to be look into”.
  • The “dogpile” on me was weird.
  • IceT is meme voting you, and you cannot read him.
  • You can’t read PoD.
  • Eliza is suspicious for speaking too much, but that could just be memeing.

To me, personally, the best way to understand a reads list is to determine who you’re tying yourself to and against, so let’s break this down.

  • You support Millium. Tying to Millium.
  • You’re NAI on Bakefia, but you don’t like that they distrust Millium. Tying against Bakefia.
  • The “dogpile” (it was not a dogpile by any definition of a dogpile) is further tying against Bakefia.
  • NAI on Icet.
  • NAI on PoD.
  • NAI on Eliza.

So, in total, you support Millium - someone who’s already suspicious (I will make a case for this at a later point in time because this one alone took far too long and was quite boring to draft up) - and distrust Bakefia for trying to start a train on post #14, which we both know is highly implausable.

In short, you’re far more defensive than you should reasonably be, and your reads are either wishy-washy or not great.

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If I don’t do it then the neuts gonna call me out so I was doing it anyway but now I’m doing it 2 times over

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I come to mafia to avoid writing English essays, not to write more essays.

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  1. that topic you quoted was me being legit worried i was making someones game unfun. that was me legit saying am i sounding to harsh.
  2. read my past town games i get extremely defensive as town whenever its day 1 or day 7. i dont like failing town even if its day 1 cause it leaves me with guilt.

it wasnt a counteract! it was me reading why i was being voted and thought i might as well make notes while i read. it wasnt even a read list it was a summary of what i thought

i didnt know that till i read

i mean its the truth. i told tutuu they always scum read me. they proved me wrong so i went to go check cause i would feel bad if i was wrong

there was barely any posts in the game ash. i am not going to form a magical read on everyone with minimum posts. it was merely a summary of what i found reading down.

but thankyou this is much more for me to work with then “you are being defensive”

when you say this what are you referring to

–angel

Was summarizing one of Hazard’s reads.

i’ll answer that.

for some reason my brain thought eliza was talking in the third person. and this felt really off coming from eliza. in fact i cant read and missed the sign off

Read list
Town lean
Bakefia - I would be gobsmacked if this isnt town. i feel like hydras infighting about peoples slots (aka millium) lets me believe they dont have a plan going into it or dont have anything set up for reads. and the fact neither of them are stepping down their point makes me believe this is town.
Millium - controversial (not really) but i dont see anything wrong with millium for say

i will state the only other game i have been in with millium they had equal distaste when they felt like a conversation was going no where as town.

i think they are asking all the right questions but i understand some dont see the same and would like reasons why.

Kiiruma - this feels good, this is my vibe read. i have been correct so far with kiiruma but if he gets up people if i get executed and he never defended me execute his ass.

Jarek - I think this is town. their manner of speaking and their willingness to dive into the neutral resonates with risk taker town jarek

(bottom of town)
Tutuu - she scares me and i dont know why. they are a good player and i have actively not seen them in a scum game yet so i am scared to see the day. however she still replicates previous games she has played on this server that are all town pretty well

Luka - another vibe check. unless if ash ever flips scum then remove this from here instantly
Neutral
(Neutral claim)
Power of death - sounds like a believable ability.

Ash - Their town slip earlier on in the game is hard for me to see this as scum but some of the manners when it has come to my vote such as voting me as soon as i asked why they were sus of me and not really saying anything about it till 10ish hours after the vote makes me wanna put them here

IceT - their reads are all over the place. but nothing that is really out of place from the usual them.

Frost - feels like someone who has been playing in the background he makes comments when he can and kinda pop shots. this is not his usual wolf meta but i wont be surprised if he tried to switch it up. (also i have caught him a few times liking posts and not commenting on them)

Elizatheangel - dont have a vibe or read from them

Wazza - dont specifically get why they are being scum read. but i know why they arent being town read.

Scum lean
Princess abigail - what has she done with Zenon. where is the hyper posting! who has taken her!. this is a much different playstyle then what she usual goes for but i wouldnt be surprised if she jumpscare posts eod.

Marluna - got nothing on them. they feel like they are just here watching from the background. they took an early shot on tutuu and then backed off

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thats my 10 pm read list cause i am tired and want to sleep.

I am sorry i wasnt much help to town this game. and i am sorry my reads arent very on point. tbh i forgot this game was happening and it started right in the middle of my massive assignment week so doing this and working on three seperate assignments was kinda too big of a task for me to do. and yeah i know i am making excuses. i am just trying to say i am sorry i failed you guys if you do choose to vote me off but i hope you guys win this game. just make sure you dont give up once i die!

Pressure
VOTE: PrincessAbigail @PrincessAbigail Come back!

Oh, you’re an Australian man.
You know what, that’s a more compelling reason to kill ya’ than anything I wrote up.

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DAMN

You know fair enough

i thought my awful english would have given me away