Undertale Overhaul - MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY

[Hazardwaste]

hey British boy

[Jarek]

Okay. I’m a role that can visit. If I die you’re dying with me though.

[Jarek]

For the mafia aiming their vanilla ice gun at me, that totally means I’m a vengeful you should night kill me

[Hazardwaste]

also i have now officially finished 2 assignments with in 12 hours both due in 2 hours. i am so fucking tired

[Jarek]

@powerofdeath

I am guaranteed visiting you tonight so visit me

[Jarek]

I have literally nothing better to do anyway

[Hazardwaste]

never mind i wont use my thing then power.

[Hazardwaste]

same.

[Jarek]

If I get blown up by a landmine just kill them thanks

[Jarek]

Part of me thinks this is just a trick or bait or whatever but no risks no glory

[Hazardwaste]

@Jarek

Part of me thinks this is just a trick or bait or whatever but no risks no glory

this is probably town. risk taking as town is something I expect from Jarek

[Jarek]

Well I haven’t walked into the trap yet but I’m going to

[Hazardwaste]

In the great words of jarek

Chapter I - The Jutting Watchtower - Red Burns (Night 3 - 17 Remain - Thread 1)

I dare you.

[Ash]

@Hazardwaste

who? am i being to harsh?

It’s this quote that I will point to as evidence of you being mafia. You seem very high-strung throughout this conversation, and while, granted, Tutuu is pushing you, but (and this is a tad bit of a jump) there’s not really a train. There is nothing that poses a long-term threat to you, yet you’re acting as if you’re two votes from hammer. From experience, I don’t trust people who are extremely defensive, especially on D1, and given how incredibly antsy you are here, disproportionately so in my eyes, I would argue that you are mafia.
Some other quotes to reinforce this panic, all of them being when you’re at two or fewer votes:

@Hazardwaste

tutuu i dont think i have ever convinced you i am not wolf in any game you have called me scum. so i am just gonna give up on you.
the one time you called me town was when i was scum which i find hilarious tbh.

i’ll tell you my entire morning. i woke up, i went to my computer, sure iceT vote on me. read down to see why the vote happened while giving thoughts on topics, made a small read list cause i wanted to say a summary of my thoughts.
if you are gonna call that scummy then i dont know how to defend myself on that

I think this one speaks for itself. There’s a great deal of anger at being accused, and for a bit, I chalked this up to this being your play style (until I saw the first quote, but I’ve already spoken about that). Having said that, seeing a single vote on you and posting an entire reads list to counteract that seems, I dunno, excessive?

@Hazardwaste

coincidental is literally my only thing i can say. i woke up to me being voted. so i rolled out of bed walked to my computer and read. and i thought while i read i would say thoughts down.

vibe is bad i can accept tho and understand so

You’re trying to defend yourself from…
[checks notes]
Icet. The person who is clearly memeing.

@Hazardwaste

its fine. i dont like accusing people for something if i am wrong about it.

I’m gonna be frank: I don’t know why this post is sending off alarm bells, but it’s sending off alarm bells for me.

@Hazardwaste

i dont hate millium’s opener or presence in the thread i dont think its specifically scummy in the slightest.

Leafia/Baker seemed to have a minor town spew earlier on with the vanillaiser but i could have been easily faked. the fact they disagree on milliums slot however i believe needs to be look into

ash making a joke and everyone dogpilling on them is a bit weird. i can see what leafia gets at from the OMGUS and the reference to a vanillaiser but if its public knowledge there is one in game i would expects jokes to be made about it. especially on the first day

IceT is meme voting. this NAI. his chaoticness scares me.

I have nothing to say about PoD

And apparent eliza is talking more then i expected them to. so i dont know if those two are being little shits and have swapped or if eliza is up to something

Luka noted earlier in the thread that you haven’t really contributed much to discussion (personally, on Luka, I’m still not sure whether he’s town or a second 3P, but imo, he’s too IDGAF to be mafia), and I think this is a good example of that.
Your reads are:

• Millium’s opener does not seem like mafia.
• Bakefia might be town based on the “spew” over my vanillizer joke, and the fact that they seem suspicious of Millium “needs to be look into”.
• The “dogpile” on me was weird.
• IceT is meme voting you, and you cannot read him.
• You can’t read PoD.
• Eliza is suspicious for speaking too much, but that could just be memeing.

To me, personally, the best way to understand a reads list is to determine who you’re tying yourself to and against, so let’s break this down.

• You support Millium. Tying to Millium.
• You’re NAI on Bakefia, but you don’t like that they distrust Millium. Tying against Bakefia.
• The “dogpile” (it was not a dogpile by any definition of a dogpile) is further tying against Bakefia.
• NAI on Icet.
• NAI on PoD.
• NAI on Eliza.

So, in total, you support Millium - someone who’s already suspicious (I will make a case for this at a later point in time because this one alone took far too long and was quite boring to draft up) - and distrust Bakefia for trying to start a train on post #14, which we both know is highly implausable.

In short, you’re far more defensive than you should reasonably be, and your reads are either wishy-washy or not great.

[Jarek]

If I don’t do it then the neuts gonna call me out so I was doing it anyway but now I’m doing it 2 times over

[Ash]

I come to mafia to avoid writing English essays, not to write more essays.

[Hazardwaste]

@Ash

It’s this quote that I will point to as evidence of you being mafia. You seem very high-strung throughout this conversation, and while, granted, Tutuu is pushing you, but (and this is a tad bit of a jump) there’s not really a train. There is nothing that poses a long-term threat to you, yet you’re acting as if you’re two votes from hammer. From experience, I don’t trust people who are extremely defensive, especially on D1, and given how incredibly antsy you are here, disproportionately so in my eyes, I would argue that you are mafia.
Some other quotes to reinforce this panic, all of them being when you’re at two or fewer votes:

1. that topic you quoted was me being legit worried i was making someones game unfun. that was me legit saying am i sounding to harsh.
2. read my past town games i get extremely defensive as town whenever its day 1 or day 7. i dont like failing town even if its day 1 cause it leaves me with guilt.

@Ash

I think this one speaks for itself. There’s a great deal of anger at being accused, and for a bit, I chalked this up to this being your play style (until I saw the first quote, but I’ve already spoken about that). Having said that, seeing a single vote on you and posting an entire reads list to counteract that seems, I dunno, excessive?

it wasnt a counteract! it was me reading why i was being voted and thought i might as well make notes while i read. it wasnt even a read list it was a summary of what i thought

@Ash

You’re trying to defend yourself from…
[checks notes]
Icet. The person who is clearly memeing.

i didnt know that till i read

@Ash

I’m gonna be frank: I don’t know why this post is sending off alarm bells, but it’s sending off alarm bells for me.

i mean its the truth. i told tutuu they always scum read me. they proved me wrong so i went to go check cause i would feel bad if i was wrong

@Ash

Luka noted earlier in the thread that you haven’t really contributed much to discussion (personally, on Luka, I’m still not sure whether he’s town or a second 3P, but imo, he’s too IDGAF to be mafia), and I think this is a good example of that.
Your reads are:

• Millium’s opener does not seem like mafia.
• Bakefia might be town based on the “spew” over my vanillizer joke, and the fact that they seem suspicious of Millium “needs to be look into”.
• The “dogpile” on me was weird.
• IceT is meme voting you, and you cannot read him.
• You can’t read PoD.
• Eliza is suspicious for speaking too much, but that could just be memeing.

To me, personally, the best way to understand a reads list is to determine who you’re tying yourself to and against, so let’s break this down.

• You support Millium. Tying to Millium.
• You’re NAI on Bakefia, but you don’t like that they distrust Millium. Tying against Bakefia.
• The “dogpile” (it was not a dogpile by any definition of a dogpile) is further tying against Bakefia.
• NAI on Icet.
• NAI on PoD.
• NAI on Eliza.

So, in total, you support Millium - someone who’s already suspicious (I will make a case for this at a later point in time because this one alone took far too long and was quite boring to draft up) - and distrust Bakefia for trying to start a train on post #14, which we both know is highly implausable.

there was barely any posts in the game ash. i am not going to form a magical read on everyone with minimum posts. it was merely a summary of what i found reading down.

but thankyou this is much more for me to work with then “you are being defensive”

[ElizaTheAngel]

@Ash

Eliza is suspicious for speaking too much, but that could just be memeing.

when you say this what are you referring to

–angel

[Ash]

Was summarizing one of Hazard’s reads.

@Hazardwaste

And apparent eliza is talking more then i expected them to. so i dont know if those two are being little shits and have swapped or if eliza is up to something

[Hazardwaste]

i’ll answer that.

@ElizaTheAngel

good evening all!! i have interrupted my wonderful sleep (my ass was not sleeping) to pop into thread. you will be blessed with the presence of our very own eliza for the most part d1. i am. slightly hurt. just a tad. enough that i tragically have to shut up a little bit. good luck all!! and thank you for playing with me eliza <3

– angel

for some reason my brain thought eliza was talking in the third person. and this felt really off coming from eliza. in fact i cant read and missed the sign off