Vote-a-Life - MAFIA VICTORY!

[Rhea]

@Magnus

Leafia voted Yurkin at a time when Chomps was heavily on the block, and thus swayed the wagons mostly on her own merit. Leafia was confirmed town over this and evils made the best option in killing her.

My first instinct was that the Leafia kill was based primarily on her claim of being able to confirm her own ability, which would imply wolves who are making fairly shallow decisions about kills. My instinct would be to kill a player I thought would be more threatening, even if they were less trusted as town than Leafia was. She claimed a confirmable ability, but that does not necessarily mean a confirmable alignment, and Leafia wasn’t terribly effective in thread even with her public claim.

yurkin, at the very least, tried to discredit Leafia’s claim and seemed overly interested in placing suspicion on her, which made me feel like they feared Leafia as confirmed town. Of course, yurkin did not decide the kill last night, but her thoughts could be indicative of a broader mindset among the wolves, provided the wolves are actually utilizing their communication ability.

However, you brought up a good point about how the events of yesterday made Leafia even more clearly a villager than before. With that in mind, I do not think the Leafia kill necessarily indicates a more shallow kill decision process among the wolves. You are right that Leafia was a good kill choice even as a more dialed-in player.

[Magnus]

I have risen from the cauldron of hellfire and brimstone to slaughter, nay, exterminate anyone whose prowess is not analogical to mine. Fear ye, mortals.

[Jarek]

wait

[Jarek]

wait I just realised leafia is dead LOL

[SultanOfSlam]

[Jarek]

wtf am I actually smoking “leafia is on the evil team maybe” LEAFIA IS DEAD

[Jarek]

Oh my god that’s embarrasing

[Magnus]

I think this game might potentially mark one of the first times Leafia was nightkilled immediately, as well. Hopefully she’s enjoying the prestige in the afterlife.

The issue is that Leafia never actually claimed to have a confirmation ability, as she clarified multiple times when others misinterpreted her statement. She asserted to have a confirmable ability, presumably with an alignment agnostic effect. So while that could potentially be the sole cause of her death, I don’t think that reason alone is compelling enough to stand ground in isolation.

Leafia softed a protection role in one comment, so it’s possible evils believed that. Nonetheless, the reasons for her death only matter if somebody else indubitably should’ve been killed first instead.

[Magnus]

There was an error in the opening announcement. Jarek was killed last night, not Leafia. Your first impulse was correct.

[Jarek]

Well leafia dying means that I think the yurkin wagon looks pure as heck personally.

[Jarek]

leafia was really the only person I could reasonably see as the evil one that might have voted them.

Yeah I’l just believe it’s pure.

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Frostwolf103

will take with grain of salt regarding lol, Derps and Magnus. But for today I am turning to blind eye and not pursue them for Day 2

I’m lunch proof so I’m not an option anyways smh

[Chomps]

lunch

[SirDerpsAlot]

I’m hungwy

[Rhea]

Reading back on SultanOfSlam, I can see him as a potential wolf, though I do not find anything in his posts that particularly indicates that is the case. I placed him as my lowest townlean last night because I found his thoughts realistic and insightful yesterday, but it is about the time that the credit given for early competence and tone expires.

I do not think he is especially likely to be a wolf with Chomps, as the way he so plainly stated and stuck with that suspicion before anybody else did, essentially as his opener to the game, would be quite bold and committal if it were bussing.

@SultanOfSlam

Anyways enough talking in Sum 41 lyrics

Dont think this is town Chomps
VOTE: Chomps

@SultanOfSlam

Oh yeah about chomps.

Chomps seems to be faking their town self they geel flat from the chomps i know and love

The confidence in these quotes could make sense as an agenda push, and I can even see SultanOfSlam as actively wolfy if Chomps is town.

@SultanOfSlam

Chomps seems a bit fake to me this game so far. Falling a littlw flat of the Town Chomps i love.

@SultanOfSlam

…
To me these feel like faking trying to be their town self and what i think feels flat

@SultanOfSlam

I did that wrong…VOTE: Chomps

Meh chomps hasnt really changed my mind

@SultanOfSlam

Is this a scum claim?

SultanOfSlam came back to voting for Chomps, even when other players didn’t seem to be particularly interested, and when a Chomps execution was not by any means seeming inevitable when other players like beancat were similarly uninvolved.

I would respect this as a wolf-partnered play, for certain. If SultanOfSlam is a wolf with Chomps, his goal was to take the credibility gained by being the main pusher for Chomps in order to carry himself into the endgame, which would mean he would not desire a yurkin execution in the slightest. Once Chomps went over, he would have the thread pull to keep yurkin alive much longer.

The other thing that I was considering last night regarding SultanOfSlam’s alignment was the way yurkin treated him.

@yurkin

Not gonna lie I love this

@yurkin

Honestly if it depends on me SultanOfSlam will end game every game

This seems exaggerated, though I cannot decide whether it seems exaggerated in the way a wolf speaks of a villager or of a partner.

@yurkin

How do you feel about Magnus’ analysis on Chomps here?

@yurkin

@SultanOfSlam

But they are acting like nothing at all has been said. There has been pleanty of game talking. Most of the fluff they are complaining about is from them. Talking about silly shit like milk an fire trucks

Maybe you’ve got a point

VOTE: lol

@SultanOfSlam

I did that wrong…VOTE: Chomps

Meh chomps hasnt really changed my mind

@yurkin

My vote was also placed for pressure and I’m satisfied with lol’s posting here

@yurkin

VOTE: Chomps

alright let’s go they haven’t done anything really

This exchange does feel like yurkin is “allowing herself to be convinced by SultanOfSlam” in a way that naturally reads as if SultanOfSlam is a villager. I do not see it as intensely unpartnering, though. It would depend on yurkin’s skill level, which Kiiruma has assured us is not low.

[SirDerpsAlot]

Also I can’t decide if Jarek actually didn’t realize leaf was dead or if it was intentional

[Jarek]

Kinda got too busy looking at the EOD votes and building worlds off of that to bother checking who died

[Jarek]

Idk can’t really say why they went for leafia

[Rhea]

@Magnus

The issue is that Leafia never actually claimed to have a confirmation ability, as she clarified multiple times when others misinterpreted her statement. She asserted to have a confirmable ability, presumably with an alignment agnostic effect. So while that could potentially be the sole cause of her death, I don’t think that reason alone is compelling enough to stand ground in isolation.

Leafia softed a protection role in one comment, so it’s possible evils believed that. Nonetheless, the reasons for her death only matter if somebody else indubitably should’ve been killed first instead.

Yes, Leafia’s ability claim was not a good reason to kill her. That is why I stated that I initially thought it was indicative of a lower-engagement set of wolves. If the only reasons to kill her were bad, it would stand that the wolves were not making highly thoughtful choices.

With your point about how Leafia looked better in the aftermath of yesterday, I can see her dying for reasons other than the claim, so that logic no longer holds.

[Jarek]

If you ask me? I’d have killed one of the last voters on yurkin since those gamers are likely to be cleared simply for voting correctly at a dire time