Weekly Monday Discussion #7 - Defining Bastard

[Luka]

@notblackorwhite

We both know this is obvious.

yeah hence why its just me being petty lol
agree with everything said in this post though

[Arctic]

I’m mostly fine with both proposed definitions so long as for a game which contains godfathers/framers etc to be classed as standard stating alignment information may not be reliable in the OP should be required - and, speaking about the second definition here, this shouldn’t just apply to a “large number of these roles” (mostly because that just seems arbitrary), like I think it should just be the case regardless

I probably slightly prefer the first also because I don’t feel like hosts interfering with the game to prevent one side winning should ever be considered non-bastard even if it’s announced… like that just seems a bit silly to me. You’re adding a highly impactful and probably biased host interference option but saying it’s not bastard just because it’s stated in the op - where would you draw the line for something not being considered bastard if it’s stated in the OP? For me, going back to the above thing the most bastard thing I’d consider non-bastard is false alignment information so long as it is explicitly stated in the OP

[Arctic]

also kinda only tangentially related but it’s surprising to me that we don’t run more bastard games here given that botc, which is incredibly popular here, seems to fulfil quite literally every hypothetical criterion of bastardness

[Daeron]

me when gamethrowing is actively encouraged and rewarded
thank you politician

[katze]

its surprising to me because we stemmed from a community that constantly ran bastard games (fol/sfol)

[notblackorwhite]

@Arctic

I probably slightly prefer the first also because I don’t feel like hosts interfering with the game to prevent one side winning should ever be considered non-bastard even if it’s announced

If it’s announced as semi-bastard/experimental and doesn’t disallow “live balancing” then I don’t have a huge issue calling it not bastard. It’s still in that middle ground area because it could definitely piss people off even though they’re aware of it, but it’s like less likely to than the bastard things. For example, if you sign up for BotF, I think it’s stupid to call the host a bastard for doing WotM shit because that’s the game you signed up for. You’re within your right to be pissed if their wisdom is shit, but again that’s why it’s in the middle zone between full on bastard and not bastard.

@Arctic

where would you draw the line for something not being considered bastard if it’s stated in the OP?

It’s all the stuff in the bastard category: it’s still bastard even if it’s announced. Announcing is a requirement regardless. Not announcing is merely always a bastard rating.

[Geyde]

Thank you all for the responses!
We appreciate the discussion a lot

[pandora]

i’m late to this discussion but

[pandora]

it’s very funny coming at this as someone from NLM. some of you have played on NLM. godfather is a staple there and so is jester/unjester (less so recently)

[pandora]

this is a good discussion. just funny bc my first game had both and i immediately dove into a site with both as staples

[Frostwolf103]

@Geyde

Intentionally misleading as a host is the gray area I was most interested in discussing

Waves

[Geyde]

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