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[SultanOfSlam]

How? They have 0 actually reads lists arent fucking reads without reasoning behind them.

Fight me

[SultanOfSlam]

@otterpopd

town:
townlean: leafia, eliza, hazard,
null: Bionic, Someone, Frostwolf103, Kiiruma, Crescent, Rhea, Dec, Millium, Marluna, Zugzwang
wolflean: derps, achro, slam, brakuren
wolf: my son

@otterpopd exsplain any and all reads please and thank you

[Brakuren]

@SultanOfSlam

They have 0 actually reads lists arent fucking reads without reasoning behind them.

This is a bad reaction tbh. I would expect a town when looking at a read list to ask about disagreements that they have in their read of certain players, not to just say

“This list is bad”

Stuff like this harms town

[SultanOfSlam]

Not actually talking is harmful to town. Whats the point of a reads list when you say nothing about your reads ever!

[Leafia]

A cute Leafeon. Other than that, no idea.

How should I know who I am?

[Leafia]

Heading back out now too.

[Frostwolf103]

@SultanOfSlam

This feels like youre trying to hard to be useful.

And another to the list of just awful reasoning to not like me. Noting this as potentially scummy finding a piss poor reason and calling it a scum read is lazy and scummy in it self plus the over pushing of a full reads list this early seems fake as hell

I am checking this wall of text myself and turns out its not properly cemented, like yep yep Millium town but hazard’s townreading Millium is not strong, Millium townreading Sultan and even then that doesn’t change the opinion on Sultan and just agrees with Millium. Also calls my opener just as awkward as Sultan and SDA’s self vote. Flipflopping on SDA, hedging on Zug’s comment between Hazard and Derps, yeah hold up I am speaking at loud what Rhea was saying here, so here’s I am going to say: it’s performative wall of text. Sultan rightly points this out and stays consistent by voting Rhea

@SultanOfSlam

Read the post and tell me i am wrong for my vote.
It is not real reads.

@Brakuren

u r wrong.

Rhea is either powerwolf or town, and you don’t need to care about lynching powerwolf d1.

@SultanOfSlam

You never lynch scum day 1? Wtf is that

This will get out of context, and not that matters since Sultan moved the vote elsewhere some time later, I understand the confusion that its much better to get scum first day, however Brakuren knows rigid Rhea wolf play, Sultan if anything is pretty much get used to see townies get executed day 1 that does gain information for everyone involved socially that will eventually catch wolf on the executed’s wagon for example.

I honestly don’t remember the plays anymore from Brakuren, let alone Rhea being complete stranger to me. So I don’t put faith in the meta since it doesn’t explain how can Rhea be made town unless its pointing out that it’s not Rhea’s powerwolfing vibes that Brakuren is getting, thus telling Sultan he’s in the wrong. Two times.

@Kiiruma

I think Rhea is town or 3P.
I don’t think Rhea is groupscum who’s went for such a big post and an attention grab especially since it can backfire (and it did)

@Achromatic

I almost think a 3p wouldnt just go for it either tbh

@SultanOfSlam

I mean it seems like a common occurrence recently.

Perhaps so, that’s what I used to do but not as opener of sorts.

@Rhea

@SultanOfSlam

Rhea could you maybe exsplain to me what makes Brak’s way of posting in a steam of as i think of it ill mention it style as scummy, maybe since i do a similar thing its not off putting to me?

I don’t understand what you mean.

The thing I find wolfy about Brakuren’s posting is that he seems focused exclusively on finding posts suspicious , rather than finding them towny, and when he does find someone to be towny, he rarely explains it.

Wolves are incentivized to call out posts from town as suspect, even if they don’t stand by the read. It helps plant seeds of doubt into the thread, and they can just pick up and run with whatever suspicion actually becomes popular. Brakuren confidently states every one of his wolfreads like it’s obvious. It’s admirable.

On the other hand, while wolves are incentivized to townread villagers for credibility, they don’t actually have any motive to make their cases convincing. They’d love to see those villagers executed while they protest the entire time. Getting an explanation of Brakuren’s townread on Zugzwang was like drawing water from a stone, and that particular discrepancy is something I find indicative of those exact motives: looking to appear right in hindsight, not to actually convince anybody in the moment.

Brakuren feels like he’s jumping at every opportunity to call posts wolfy, but not until I mentioned this behavior did he say much, if anything, was towny. Of course, he’s changed his ways somewhat since then, stating a townread on Leafia and then me, but I also find it odd that he’s explicitly defending and townreading me after repeatedly calling my case on him so awful and unfounded.

@SultanOfSlam

Okay this is great and exactly what i was looking for.
UNVOTE

For now.

Fancy words for me, Sultan is considering Rhea’s analysis on Brakuren and in short unvoted this. Why? Because Rhea is telling Sultan that Brakuren is RVS’ing but got nothing to gain to make townreads and just keep calling.

This is for starters.

@SultanOfSlam

@Rhea

The fact that so many people have opened immediately wolfreading SultanOfSlam is concerning to me

Only been like 4 of you and their is atleast 1 scum in the 4 guaranteed

@SultanOfSlam

Yeah not really concerned about it other than Milli the other two are pretty as rhe kids call it MID

Rhea out, not concerned with the rest of the three. Just in case this got slipped away, but this detail is not important as now.

@SultanOfSlam

@Rhea

SultanOfSlam has been consistently dismissive of wolfreads on him, calling the cases bad and weak, chalking them up to past bias or similar. I find it odd.

His read is the only one that’s not baseless out of the 3 is what i meant by this but it also came off a bit bitter about last game but its also part of the meta since i was 3rd party and not town.

That may be very well that Sultan changed the read on Rhea, understanding Sultan’s motives makes to townread players more, which can be prone to be taken advantage by the malicious players.

@Zugzwang

@Bionic

Wow i don’t like the 2 other wagons at all, Rhea is voting one and Sultan is cool

VOTE: Bionic

Your reason for scumreading Rhea was that you don’t like walls of text. How is that a real read? And now you’re calling a wagon bad just because Rhea is on it, with a read of this strength?

@SultanOfSlam

I don’t like this vote swinging away at the low hanging fruit.

@SultanOfSlam

VOTE: zug

I also pointed this out regarding Zug’s vote and to extend Marluna’s townreading this vote (but that’s not the main point here), its not that Sultan is protective just being fresh out of course again, just the reasoning of the vote doesn’t come out as good faith, even though I kinda understand where Zug is coming from because scumreading on Rhea is weak thus voting Bionic that way. Which is likely pointing out Rhea’s old posts before Sultan is reconsidering that which may be indeed kinda grind my mind

Sultan didn’t like Rhea at first and now does, Bionic bases scumread on Rhea because of old posts, Zug finds it weak and votes Bionic, however Sultan voted the accuser which I find the pairing between Rhea and Sultan more weird than it lets on.

That’s where I am at until he posted new. @Millium

[Frostwolf103]

I have no eyes and I must dream.
(Because hallejuah, what a overload)

[Brakuren]

@Frostwolf103

however Brakuren knows rigid Rhea wolf play

Scum slip?

I never mentioned this

[Frostwolf103]

Which is why you find me demotivated to make big plays often

@Brakuren

@Frostwolf103

however Brakuren knows rigid Rhea wolf play

Scum slip?

I never mentioned this

How did you know about Rhea’s difference being a ‘town’ and ‘powerwolf’?

[Frostwolf103]

So you got it from somewhere, Brakuren. Don’t play dumb with me.

[Brakuren]

@Frostwolf103

How did you know about Rhea’s difference being a ‘town’ and ‘powerwolf’?

I’m talking in general in how it’s pointless to try to lynch powerwolf d1

[Frostwolf103]

Why?

[Brakuren]

@Frostwolf103

Why

Because you are gonna mislynch town lmao

[Frostwolf103]

@Brakuren

@Frostwolf103

Why

Because you are gonna mislynch town lmao

Powerwolfing only appears somewhere mid-game or late game, let alone who used to do powerwolving in the past.

That you saying?

[Brakuren]

@Frostwolf103

Powerwolfing only appears somewhere mid-game or late game, let alone who used to do powerwolving in the past.

That you saying?

Sort of?

It’s more so the case that Wolves are going to Factional Kill strong townies, so it’s only really reasonable to be suspicious of strong townies the longer they live

[SultanOfSlam]

Brakuren is either over confident or TMI every one of their posts and reads comes off as I KNOW EVERYONES ALIGNMENTS DONT DISAGREE WITH ME!

[Brakuren]

@SultanOfSlam

KNOW EVERYONES ALIGNMENTS DONT DISAGREE WITH ME!

What reads u disagree with bud you are getting shouty

[SultanOfSlam]

The way youre defending Rhea sounds like you KNOW they are town

[Frostwolf103]

@Brakuren

@Frostwolf103

Powerwolfing only appears somewhere mid-game or late game, let alone who used to do powerwolving in the past.

That you saying?

Sort of?

It’s more so the case that Wolves are going to Factional Kill strong townies, so it’s only really reasonable to be suspicious of strong townies the longer they live

Yeah I understand what you’re saying here.

You’re telling that Sultan is wrong about Rhea’s opener, correct?