The Amazing Digital Circus Vigilante ten-er - GAME OVER, MAFIA WIN

[jail]

i am worried im just tweaked out and confused as shit tho so ima dip so i can not have insane tunnel vision or anything

[Rhea]

@jail

i am worried im just tweaked out and confused as shit tho so ima dip so i can not have insane tunnel vision or anything

I have been extremely confused by what you have been saying, frankly.

[jail]

yeah me too

so i think i found out what caused things though

@Rhea

I feel like I cannot derive a read from these posts, which is what is exceptional about them.

so when you posted this were u referring to yourself not finding a read on me or were you confused on what my read in that post was

[jail]

because i thought you were asking me what my read was

so i was confused on why you were sussing me for simply answering your question

[Rhea]

@jail

so when you posted this were u referring to yourself not finding a read on me or were you confused on what my read in that post was

I meant that I could not derive a read on you from those posts. When you responded trying to explain yourself further, I continued to be unable to read you. So I voted you.

[jail]

UNVOTE Rhea

for the record im still like

guhh

but

im just gonna read rhea independently of whatever this interaction is for my own sake

[jail]

UNVOTE

[jail]

@Rhea

When you responded trying to explain yourself further, I continued to be unable to read you. So I voted you.

so yeah like

i wasn’t “explaining myself further” or whatever like i deadass thought u were confused on what my reads were

but like

go off

[Rhea]

@jail

so yeah like

i wasn’t “explaining myself further” or whatever like i deadass thought u were confused on what my reads were

but like

go off

Yes, and I thought you were responding to my nullread on you by explaining your own reads further, like that would change my mind. That is why I was confused by you. You also acted as if I had made some sudden turnaround by voting you, despite the fact that I had previously expressed that I had a null read on you and wanted you to provide alignment-indicative content.

[jail]

okay cool that does make sense
yeah no i dont care to be null read or anything

i mean at least i can at least know that you weren’t outright pushing me in bad faith and it was just confusion

in terms of wanting me to post actual content i can only shrug my shoulders tho cuz i procrastinate too much LOL and there hasnt been anyone else besides us for a hot minute

ill try to like actually open up fol on my computer tonite cuz i do have post plans trust im just in the trenches

[Rhea]

I am going to walk through my thought process here.

@Rhea

I feel like I cannot derive a read from these posts, which is what is exceptional about them.

@Rhea

I agree with this post, and it primarily pushes townreads over wolfreads, which I appreciate. Still, I cannot find myself wanting to put jail much farther over null.

@Rhea

I feel as if I should be townreading this series of posts, but I can’t quite bring myself to do so. I will townlean them, though.

@Rhea

jail lt
pandora n
Someone n
bystander lw
Garfooled lw

I expressed a null-to-town read on jail initially. Specifically, he did things that were nominally contributions to the game, but which I did not find particularly towny, which is often a red flag.

@Rhea

@jail

it was subtle shade ftr, the post about zug

bc initially i found those questions to be wolfy bc i felt at first that zug was simply asking questions just to ask them, not for any sort of actual ai answer.

but i liked how zug responded to me, bc i was honestly expecting a more aggro response but instead zug simply responded by explaining themself which like. instantly gives me better vibes

I was aware it was subtle shade, and I was aware you backed down from it. If you had done so more silently, I would have found it towny, but because you did so aloud, it did not strike me as a particularly hidden thought process that I find town indicative. You could have simply been a wolf realizing Zugzwang was not pushable.

That post and the following thought process are realistic enough and show no signs of being illegitimate, but are nonetheless easy to fake. That is why I found no read from them. Your follow-up has not changed that.

When he responded to me here, I did not realise jail thought I had said I did not understand his post. His post was phrased like a correction, so it came across to me as if he was trying to correct the fact that I nullread him off those posts. I was, frankly, somewhat annoyed, because it read to me like he thought I only failed to townread him because I didn’t understand what read he was expressing. This was, as we know now, a simple misunderstanding.

@Rhea

I should place a vote, since I have not done so already.

After further reflection, I actually find the way jail has behaved this game surface-level, in a way that feels like he is showing off that he has thoughts in a way that makes me uncomfortable with his slot, and I have no real reason to townread him. I would like to see where this goes. VOTE: jail.

@Rhea

Garfooled feels comfortable in thread despite having been suspected in a way that somewhat counteracts my former wolfread there, enough that I would like to vote elsewhere for the time being. I would say my read is more null than a wolflean at this point.

Bystander’s first post on Garfooled was wolfy and felt like it showed a level of agenda, but the rest of her posts are acceptable enough, and I do not think I will find much productive by voting her at the moment. I would still place her in the bottom half of null in my read list.

Because I read jail’s response to me as “correcting” my nullread, I thought he was fairly wolfy. It felt like he was acting like he was entitled to being townread because he had thoughts. I found my current wolfreads undesirable to vote for the reasons I stated, so I decided to pursue him as a vote.

@Rhea

@jail

ok not to omgus or anything

but wtf is this change in behavior towards me lol that is not natural

What do you mean by “change in behavior”? What do you believe about my attitude toward you has changed in the hour I have been in this thread?

Because I had been mostly nullreading jail before, and because I had explained exactly what caused me to change my mind on him, I found it strange that he accused me of having a “change in behavior”. I assume this discrepancy was at least partially due to the fact that he misunderstood one of my comments about being unable to read his posts, and partially because he did not understand my later accusation.

The ensuing disagreement was all just us talking past each other because we did not understand what the other was saying.

I still find jail an interesting vote to pursue, so I will still keep voting him. But that is why we disagreed as we did there.

[Zugzwang]

@Leafia

I won’t lie. Right now, Tutuu and Rhea are my most confident townreads.

@Garfooled

okay leafia is town

@Garfooled

that felt like such a real thought post

Rhea what do you think about this (other than that’s it’s very unlikely w/w)? At first it looked like W!Gar TMI-ing Leafia town. I can see Gar’s justification, but upon checking and seeing Leafia hadn’t posted for over 30 minutes, there’s a lot of other angles she ignored, like it feeling somewhat frozen.

[Zugzwang]

@Rhea

It felt like he was acting like he was entitled to being townread because he had thoughts.

Entitlement is normally seen as towny; what here makes this different?

[Rhea]

@Zugzwang

Rhea what do you think about this (other than that’s it’s very unlikely w/w)? At first it looked like W!Gar TMI-ing Leafia town. I can see Gar’s justification, but upon checking and seeing Leafia hadn’t posted for over 30 minutes, there’s a lot of other angles she ignored, like it feeling somewhat frozen.

I don’t actually think this interaction is particularly unpairing. It is possible to fake. It is extremely desirable to fake, as it makes your partner seem like blatant town off of something vague, and allows you to prime the way other townies read the posts.

However, that doesn’t mean I think the interaction especially indicates that Leafia and Garfooled are W/W. I think the interaction is fine for both players.

Leafia saw me post and decided she confidently townread me, then mentioned tutuu for good measure. She did not feel particular need to loudly justify or explain herself, she just expressed the read. It indicates comfort and thought, as Garfooled stated.

Garfooled also shows a good real-time interaction with Leafia’s thoughts, which is nice to see. Often, wolves who are suspected early on will be much more skittish than Garfooled is here, as they do not want to further dig themselves into the hole. This kind of comfort is why I stated that my read on Garfooled is trending up.

[Rhea]

@Zugzwang

Entitlement is normally seen as towny; what here makes this different?

jail’s entitlement (as I understood it at the time) was entitlement based on the fact that he expressed a read. I find that towny entitlement tends to be much more vague and based around the fact that the player in question did nothing wrong: only a townie knows for certain they did not have any subtle tells that people could pick up on.

This was (seemingly) a case of somebody stating that they did something right and therefore deserve to be townread, which does not similarly come from an inherently town perspective. “I expressed a read and changed my mind when somebody reacted, therefore I should be townread” is a thought I expect people to have when they are only making reads and changing their mind in order to be townread, rather than simply having real thoughts. They are different sources of entitlement and therefore carry connotations.

[pandora]

@Zugzwang

@pandora

wow im so sleepy i do jot have any reaction to the last few posts inwas gonna push to kill magnus as a leafia partner but then leafia was like “what the fuck are you talking about” so i townread her now :thumbsu

what post from Leafia made you change your mind

@Leafia

@Magnus

For the record, Leafia was still polarised in jail.

Kill her if she ever pushes scumreads as facts and accuses anyone who accuses her first, and unconditionally maintains her scumreads unless they start townreading her.

Follow this and you’ll kill me almost every game, regardless of my alugnment.

this one, 136

[pandora]

i thought it was magnus providing cover for leafia to come in and not act like that and thus be “obviously” in her towny meta

[Rhea]

@pandora

i thought it was magnus providing cover for leafia to come in and not act like that and thus be “obviously” in her towny meta

I like this thought.

[pandora]

but then leafia was like “no i do that all the time”

[Zugzwang]

@Rhea

However, that doesn’t mean I think the interaction especially indicates that Leafia and Garfooled are W/W. I think the interaction is fine for both players.

Is this to say it’s just NAI for both of them?

Also I can’t help but think that maybe you’re paired with Gar, and the reason she’s been more comfortable is that you’re here to help