The Amazing Digital Circus Vigilante ten-er - GAME OVER, MAFIA WIN

[pandora]

i see

[pandora]

hmm

[pandora]

let me check something

[pandora]

ok tutuu is fine i was thinking tutuu felt off to me but like whatever

[Zugzwang]

@tutuu

I can’t know for sure whether or not you’re pushing wolf agenda yet, without flips. I can only guess. I can’t trust you blindly! Or are you saying that you’ve written posts this game that you wouldn’t be able to fake as wolf?

Agenda yeah, you can’t tell yet. There are posts I wouldn’t make as wolf, though. The read about Magnus saying 28 possibilities is one, and the read in 361 is another. You can see in Zone’s Testament and the BOTF there’s a major lack of those types of mindset reads; I have a much harder time coming up with those as wolf. From memory (and a brief skim) there’s not much I’m ~certain I wouldn’t post, though I think some other posts are fairly difficult for me to come up with as wolf.

@tutuu

I don’t think any of your thoughts have been bad but I also didn’t think they were bad in that one wolf game of yours I saw

Notably in the BOTF I could rely on mech a lot more. When I couldn’t find a read on someone, or couldn’t find a read that suited my agenda, I could often just argue it with mech. Mech is much more objective, and doesn’t really have the issues of being burdened by TMI or anything like that.

[Leafia]

@Garfooled

is that illegal?

Yes it is. The police have been called. They’ll soon arrive at your house so don’t leave your house.

@Garfooled

i have no partners
i have town reads
and icky feelings from zug

So you’re claiming neut?

@The-Showrunners

Garfooled (2): pandora, Zugzwang
jail (2): Rhea, Leafia

Not Voting (6): tutuu, jail, bystander, Someone, Garfooled, Magnus

Let me fix this.

VOTE: Garfooled

Garfooled just feels like a flailing wolf to me.

@tutuu

Unless I ended up correct here in which case it’s your guys’ fault for not listening to me

This is town.

[jail]

there is definitely no neut in the game

[jail]

hello is anyone alive

[jail]

who wants to talk about gar since im still kinda ? on that slot. idk what i was cooking earlier but it still has me a little hesitant killing them esp with how stale today is

[Leafia]

No. You’re the only living player.

[jail]

damn

[Leafia]

Now to head back to the spirit realm for now.

[bystander]

what the heck why are you gys doing so much for d1 lol

also do zug and tutu typically do sheets as both alignments or is it more indicative of something?

[bystander]

i have tutu jail leafia magnus zug v

[Rhea]

@Magnus

Hello, I’m dropping a bombshell. Zugzwang and Garfooled have an awful lot of partner equity.
…

Understanding the full implications of this post will have to wait until we know more about Garfooled and Zugzwang’s alignments, which will perhaps only be after the game ends, but I think it at least seems realistically biased.

@jail

meh, i dont see bad faith in that post

i will say tho that i dont think leafia ignoring (or skimming over points, not sure how exactly it happens but it does happen a lot) is ai at all. she already feels different from the last game she wolfed in tho so i feel like she may just be v

I agree.

@jail

well

i dont think you’d say that to town zug as a wolf

and i think zug is town

so i think you guys are either t/t or w/w

but i think zug is town so i am leaning towards t/t

This post doesn’t quite thoroughly address the possibility of w!Zugzwang and t!Garfooled, but I feel like that inconsistency is towny. Wolves tend to more thoroughly think through what they are saying, rather than basing it on instinct.

@tutuu

I’m a bit curious at the wording here. Exceptional? How come posts that you find NAI are exceptional? To me that is the opposite of exceptional, at least the way I use and understand that word

Openers are generally some of the easier posts to derive a read from, as they require a player pick a particular focus and enter thread before they have had a chance to naturally converse and fit in with others. I found some kind of read from every other opener in the game. Jail also engaged with Zugzwang’s reads early on, which is another place I find it easy to search for alignment information. I found it odd that jail’s posts felt so difficult to get an understanding of.

@Garfooled

I do
damn it I do
for now

@Garfooled

is that illegal?

I cannot help but townread this.

@tutuu

I think this is town jail. I don’t think I’ve seen him wolf though so be cautious about sheeping this. Town jail is like … sitting there chilling like a good puppy but if someone pokes him he reveals razor sharp teeth and he starts biting and doesn’t let go

(imo)

I do not use other players’ meta in my own reads, but I agree that jail’s response to being suspected has not actively made me want to further pursue him as a vote at this time. I flip back and forth on whether I find it towny, but I certainly do not actively find it wolfy.

@tutuu

Oh yeah this is mega towny

If Jail is mafia, would he be brazen enough to openly say “I am being scumread for the wrong reasons?” (a thought that a lot of wolves do have which frustrates them)

I’m inclined to say no, I think it’s more likely he’s town and his explanation happened to coincide with what would be openwolfing if it were to come from a wolf, but he paid no attention to that since he (supposedly) isn’t a wolf, so the openwolfing aspect didn’t even cross his mind (if he is town there)

I would be surprised if he wouldn’t notice this as wolf. So it’s either town or quite brazen (dare I say openwolfing) wolf. I think town more likely

I like this read. I may even agree with it.

@pandora

hmm. this might be overcomplicated but i can’t criticize since i had a similar partner thought process earlier

@pandora

funny but performative

@pandora

is THAT what 28 meant

@pandora

i may be stupid

I like that pandora is clearly keeping previous posts in her mind and pondering what they meant in the background. It was confused about a post, and this weighed on it. Wolves are usually more careless. When I am caught up, I will check exactly which post it is that pandora was confused on.

[tutuu]

I’ve done it as town; I haven’t done it as wolf but I don’t think I’d be opposed to it. Last town game - Paradox Hazard - I did it but I didn’t share it because I wasn’t confident. Then I died and went in spec chat and saw it was all correct. So that inspired me to give it a shot again. The reason why I stopped in the first place was because I had a game where I had a very wrong sheet. I used to do it every game, and I happened to rand town in all of those games

[Rhea]

@Magnus

This has the format and cadence of a standard hardclaim copypasta, but I didn’t find it prewritten on FoL. I am forced to assume you wrote this by hand, which explains why the pleading fingertip emote faded into view during the latter portion of this message.

Hardshielding Tutuu forever. 28 possibilities remain.

Looking at the post in question, I do not think it is that towny to have been confused by it enough to remember it later. The “28 possibilities remain” piece that was referenced is a purely mathematical question, not something that would actually help read Magnus. I still townlean pandora, but this particular interaction is not actively town indicative.

[Zugzwang]

@bystander

also do zug and tutu typically do sheets as both alignments or is it more indicative of something?

I’ve not done it before

[Rhea]

My current reads are roughly as follows:

Leafia t
tutuu t
Magnus t
Zugzwang lt
jail lt
pandora lt
Garfooled n
Someone n
bystander n

Someone is the player I know the least about, and thus the player I find the most necessary to investigate with my vote. VOTE: Someone.

[Zugzwang]

@Rhea

Understanding the full implications of this post will have to wait until we know more about Garfooled and Zugzwang’s alignments, which will perhaps only be after the game ends, but I think it at least seems realistically biased.

So, do you agree/disagree? And when you say “realistically biased”, I presume this means you think it fits with the perspective Magnus displayed so far?