The Amazing Digital Circus Vigilante ten-er - GAME OVER, MAFIA WIN

[Zugzwang]

I TR pandora, though not that strongly
I can find quotes for that, though RN I’m going through Rhea’s stuff

[Magnus]

Garfooled / Someone / Pandora…
What’s with this trifecta…

[Zugzwang]

wdym

[Someone]

@Magnus

Someone, what do you think about getting voted?

I noticed but like idk what to respond, like I dont really know what to do

[Someone]

Im looking at the posts and nothing speaks out to me its annoying af

[jail]

no i kinda get u

[jail]

Garfooled (2): pandora, Leafia
Someone (2): Rhea, tutuu

Not Voting (6): jail, bystander, Someone, Garfooled, Magnus, Zugzwang

guh

[Rhea]

The day ends in three hours. We should have more votes on the board.

[Zugzwang]

was going to find, quote, and analyze Rhea’s progression on most people
that might take too long though
but anyway:

Rhea Magnus Progression

@Rhea

@Magnus

By technicality the host was the first account to post during the start of day maintenance with the voting table being activated, but you can have this one.

Jail / Leafia / Garfooled / Tutuu.
Pandora / Someone / Zugzwang.
Bystander / Rhea.

Arbitrary groupings to determine early focus. Hello Leafia. I hope your night is currently going well, and that you aren’t awake too late.

I also find this post towny. It is unafraid of being a little odd.

@Magnus

Arbitrary foundational reads are quite par the course for Leafia irrespective of alignment, but the early flavour research is slightly nulltown indicative. w!Leafia might claim her flavour either way to be performative, but actually posting a brief summary lines up with how v!Leafia typically addresses herself. My character is Ragatha, and without doing any research I can assume she’s a very unhappy doll.

It appears that Magnus and I agree on this point. Interesting.

@Magnus

@Zugzwang

Do… you plan to look at these groups, and their interactions, together? Or what

Before I answer that question, what do you think I could do with these sortings? Without necessarily knowing my pattern, what do you think the benefit could be of arranging them?

This indicates a towny curiosity. Townread on Magnus.

@Magnus

I wasn’t aware there was such a KRC. In any case, you are particularly a character that I would wish to see deciphered, because your carefully worded responses happen to result in a gossamer masked facade no matter which way you slice it. Your purity doesn’t shine through when ostentatious openers like the one you had at the start of this game are engineered to be reflective.

Christ alive, this is wordy. I cannot decipher straightforward alignment information from that fact, but it indicates a certain type of mindset that is useful to note down.

@Magnus

This has the format and cadence of a standard hardclaim copypasta, but I didn’t find it prewritten on FoL. I am forced to assume you wrote this by hand, which explains why the pleading fingertip emote faded into view during the latter portion of this message.

Hardshielding Tutuu forever. 28 possibilities remain.

I find this towny.

@Magnus

I had another opener prewritten taking inspiration from an old Mafiauniverse thread about Vig10’er Mathematics, and then dismissed posting it because focusing on player grouping felt more immediately effective of a tactic to garner a response from Leafia and other players who came in, so thanks for the opportunity. Initially I thought about writing metareads on everyone I knew in the game, but I decided I couldn’t bother with doing it and I didn’t want to out my Mafia teammate by accident.
That’s a joke, testing to see who actually reads this.

This feels genuine.

@Magnus

For the record, Leafia was still polarised in jail.
Kill her if she ever pushes scumreads as facts and accuses anyone who accuses her first, and unconditionally maintains her scumreads unless they start townreading her.

Leafia can run maintenance if she’s town, she can work as an operative or leader.

Pushing an easy way to read a given player, provided that meta holds, is towny, as it locks wolves out of certain options to push. It is less towny if the meta is strictly incorrect, but even still not completely so: wolves don’t want to be caught pushing lies once the player in question flips.

@Magnus

Do not accuse me of lying when there’s an obvious divergence in your alignment games such as this, even as an exaggeration, please.

@Magnus

I will amend “didn’t justify anything” as an exaggerative reference that I shouldn’t have said to “didn’t justify to the same extent as the sample wolf game”.

I am sorry for wounding your pride, and being tired is no excuse for doing so. Nonetheless, considering that MU has a different bracket for their posting format, particularly with pages, the amount of substance found in one post over there wouldn’t equate to one post over here. I don’t see the reason behind it.

These posts show a towny argumentativeness from Magnus.

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@Rhea

Magnus t
tutuu t
Zugzwang t
Leafia lt
jail lt
pandora n
Someone n
bystander lw
Garfooled lw

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@Rhea

@Magnus

Hello, I’m dropping a bombshell. Zugzwang and Garfooled have an awful lot of partner equity.
…

Understanding the full implications of this post will have to wait until we know more about Garfooled and Zugzwang’s alignments, which will perhaps only be after the game ends, but I think it at least seems realistically biased.

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@Rhea

My current reads are roughly as follows:

Leafia t
tutuu t
Magnus t
Zugzwang lt
jail lt
pandora lt
Garfooled n
Someone n
bystander n

Someone is the player I know the least about, and thus the player I find the most necessary to investigate with my vote. VOTE: Someone.

posts on Magnus stand out as surface level, for the most part
I’ll see soon enough whether it makes sense for Rhea to by the end have Magnus above everyone but Leafia and Tutuu

[Zugzwang]

I’m inclined to say, if Rhea’s progression here does stand out significantly, that’s it’s <rand w/w, and >rand w for Rhea
Magnus was not in a position where they needed defending, and Rhea is probably more skilled and more careful than letting that slip through

[tutuu]

Im going to bed its almost 3 am. I dont feel particularly strongly about any vote. Im keeping my vote on Someone because I think a 2-2 split between him and Gar is better than a 3-1. I dont townread Gar. Godspeed

[Rhea]

@Zugzwang

I’ll see soon enough whether it makes sense for Rhea to by the end have Magnus above everyone but Leafia and Tutuu

You could ask me to explain my read on Magnus.

They specifically seem to have a strong set of beliefs which color the way they post in a way that is both difficult and somewhat undesirable to fake as a wolf. I played an anonymous game against them when they were a wolf, and it felt much more like they were commenting on a game that they were letting pass them by, allowing town players who read their posts to come to their own conclusions, without truly standing by any of the ideas they were putting out there. In that game, they seemed like they were trying to blend in and appear inoffensive, not cornering themselves into any set of expressed reads.

Of course, it is possible that the anonymous nature of the game colored their behavior there, and it is possible that it colored my perception of it, as I wasn’t so good about distinguishing players from each other early on in that game. Still, though, it is enough for a townread.

[Magnus]

My teammates went down early in the aforementioned anonymous game, and given the mountainous format I was attempting to covertly justify my longterm survival; that was my incentive to remain quieter than usual.

I am used to being townread immediately as Mafia and I am capable of utilising such trust to promote brash agenda, although it has definitely been a while since I’ve had the opportunity to do so.

[Someone]

Idk I will vote Garfooled because I know im good but like this sucks

[Someone]

VOTE: Garfooled

[bystander]

no im talking about the walls and worldbuilding shiet

[Magnus]

VOTE: Pandora.
Consider this a nominal vote. I support the Garfooled wagon and will swap there if it’s close by EOD, but I don’t actually think they’re confirmed evil by any means.

I defer the Bystander read to Tutuu.

[Zugzwang]

mmmmmmmmm went through Rhea’s stuff on Gar
overall fine. some things are more reasonable than I initially found them, like their take on Gar calling Leafia towny
there’s a few questions I have tho

@Rhea

@Garfooled

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I POINT AT YOU AND LAUGH

@Garfooled

new garfield sux

garfied & friends is where its at

@Garfooled

ask someone to look at their rolecard before you ask them a question

This is a very friendly set of opening posts. They constitute a conversation with tutuu, not a conversation with the game thread. I find this wolfy.

This comment calls non-game-related fluff wolfy (or alternatively having a friendly tone is wolfy? I doubt that’s what you’re saying though).
You do later argue a contrast between unrelated conversation, and game-related conversation, is - but as of yet there’s no contrast; just one so far. So why’d you wolfread this?

@Rhea

@Magnus

Hello, I’m dropping a bombshell. Zugzwang and Garfooled have an awful lot of partner equity.

…

Understanding the full implications of this post will have to wait until we know more about Garfooled and Zugzwang’s alignments, which will perhaps only be after the game ends, but I think it at least seems realistically biased.

you seem to expect neither Gar or I will flip today
this is despite the votecount at the time:

why is this?

[Zugzwang]

if anyone wants to see the full progression it’s here
no notes tho, just quotes

Rhea Gar Progression, some analysis and questions inside

@Rhea

@Garfooled

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I POINT AT YOU AND LAUGH

@Garfooled

new garfield sux

garfied & friends is where its at

@Garfooled

ask someone to look at their rolecard before you ask them a question

This is a very friendly set of opening posts. They constitute a conversation with tutuu, not a conversation with the game thread. I find this wolfy.

@Garfooled

so i can town read you 100 percent

it’s only 60 rn

@Garfooled

it’s always gonna be the “new” garifled for me

@Garfooled

am i lock town yet?

This entrance into talking about the game, rather than to tutuu, feels unnatural to me. Wolflean on Garfooled.

@Garfooled

its possible that the mafia rand is just the quiet people

and we’re all town

that is possible

or we have a goated team like magnus + zug

and they’re having all this conversation early on to establish themselves

This is an unusual post that I would like to wolfread at first glance. However, I was actually thinking that first thought myself on looking through the early posts. The second comment is more strange. If these came from a player I knew to be experienced, I would townread them for being something that would clearly be wolfread, but I do not know Garfooled.

@Garfooled

hi hi

i think you’re fine

i kinda dont like leafia

but that;s just leafia

i feel iffy about zugs also, but i haven’t really been reading deeply into their stuff, I don’t feel like reading tonight

nothing on jail yet

tutuu’s wariness of me feels town

I think that’s everyone

I also cannot get a read from this post. It is safe and neutral. This is not towny. My wolflean on Garfooled is reinforced.

@Rhea

My current reads from catching up:

Magnus t

tutuu t

Zugzwang t

Leafia lt

jail lt

pandora n

Someone n

bystander lw

Garfooled lw

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@Rhea

I do not think bystander and Garfooled are likely partnered here, at least from the kind of wolfplay I would typically use in such a small game. When there are two wolves alive and a vigilante in play, you cannot afford to lose your partner on Day 1. Bystander essentially opens with an attack on Garfooled, and that attack is much more substantial than the majority of her posts.

My first game here was a two-wolf game where my partner was in much the same situation that Garfooled was here, and my first instinct was to attempt to dissipate those wolfreads. I do not know bystander’s personality. Perhaps she is not the same type of player as me. However, it would still be an unusual play to bus here.

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@Rhea

Garfooled feels comfortable in thread despite having been suspected in a way that somewhat counteracts my former wolfread there, enough that I would like to vote elsewhere for the time being. I would say my read is more null than a wolflean at this point.

Bystander’s first post on Garfooled was wolfy and felt like it showed a level of agenda, but the rest of her posts are acceptable enough, and I do not think I will find much productive by voting her at the moment. I would still place her in the bottom half of null in my read list.

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@Rhea

@Zugzwang

Rhea what do you think about this (other than that’s it’s very unlikely w/w)? At first it looked like W!Gar TMI-ing Leafia town. I can see Gar’s justification, but upon checking and seeing Leafia hadn’t posted for over 30 minutes, there’s a lot of other angles she ignored, like it feeling somewhat frozen.

I don’t actually think this interaction is particularly unpairing. It is possible to fake. It is extremely desirable to fake, as it makes your partner seem like blatant town off of something vague, and allows you to prime the way other townies read the posts.

However, that doesn’t mean I think the interaction especially indicates that Leafia and Garfooled are W/W. I think the interaction is fine for both players.

Leafia saw me post and decided she confidently townread me, then mentioned tutuu for good measure. She did not feel particular need to loudly justify or explain herself, she just expressed the read. It indicates comfort and thought, as Garfooled stated.

Garfooled also shows a good real-time interaction with Leafia’s thoughts, which is nice to see. Often, wolves who are suspected early on will be much more skittish than Garfooled is here, as they do not want to further dig themselves into the hole. This kind of comfort is why I stated that my read on Garfooled is trending up.

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@Rhea

@Zugzwang

Is this to say it’s just NAI for both of them?

Also I can’t help but think that maybe you’re paired with Gar, and the reason she’s been more comfortable is that you’re here to help

I think that the interaction is very, very slightly town indicative, insofar as it is a natural interaction that increases my perception of both players as comfortable in thread, but nothing beyond that. I cannot comment on the second part.

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@Rhea

@Magnus

Hello, I’m dropping a bombshell. Zugzwang and Garfooled have an awful lot of partner equity.

…

Understanding the full implications of this post will have to wait until we know more about Garfooled and Zugzwang’s alignments, which will perhaps only be after the game ends, but I think it at least seems realistically biased.

@Garfooled

I do

damn it I do

for now

@Garfooled

is that illegal?

I cannot help but townread this.

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@Rhea

My current reads are roughly as follows:

Leafia t

tutuu t

Magnus t

Zugzwang lt

jail lt

pandora lt

Garfooled n

Someone n

bystander n

Someone is the player I know the least about, and thus the player I find the most necessary to investigate with my vote. VOTE: Someone.

@Rhea

@Zugzwang

So, do you agree/disagree? And when you say “realistically biased”, I presume this means you think it fits with the perspective Magnus displayed so far?

I don’t think that whether you and Garfooled have partner equity is material enough right now to be worth extensively pursuing, especially given Garfooled is a top wagon. I can see the perspective the post comes from, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but I don’t find it actively convincing enough to make it more worth suspecting either you or Garfooled independently.

@Rhea

@Zugzwang

pretty strange

Yes, I see the idea of “wolf doesn’t want to admit that” but Rhea also doesn’t comment on how awkward the original interaction looks, or that w!Gar would’ve had a hard time arguing they were continuing to solve me when they demonstrably weren’t

I am aware there is some degree to which I “shouldn’t” townread Garfooled’s overall interaction there, by traditional standards, at least. I still cannot help but townread that specific series of posts. That is why I phrased the read like I was at war with myself, and why Garfooled is still only a high null in my read list overall.

The initial awkwardness of interaction that initially made me wolfread Garfooled is still very much present, even now, but the casual interactions counterbalance that wolfiness sufficiently that Garfooled is a high null by my standards.

@Rhea

I see the same things you do. I saw them in my opening post, and I have not continued to mention them because it has all already been said. “Garfooled’s reads are awkward and wolfy” is a known fact here. There is no point in me reinforcing it, except to look better in front of the thread, which I do not sufficiently care about to bother with. Garfooled’s demeanor in general being more casual is what goes against general consensus, so it is what I talk about.

@Rhea

Initially, the casual persona was only present when Garfooled was talking casually with tutuu about subjects mostly outside the game itself, which I found much more wolfy. A sharp contrast between casual posts intended to make the poster look comfortable and more awkward posts intended to push reads is a strong wolftell. But Garfooled has been able to maintain that casual tone when talking about actual reads, which I like more, hence why I said Garfooled has been trending up for me.

[Someone]

People CFD, expecially on D1